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CITY OF SEAL BEACH
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
MINUTES OF DECEMBER 5, 1990
The regularly scheduled Plannlng Commission meeting of December 5,
1990 was called to order at 7:30 p.m. in City Council Chambers by
Chairman Flfe.
I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commlssioner Sharp.
II. ROLL CALL
Present: Chalrman Flfe
Commissioners Sharp, McCurdy, Dahlman
Absent: Commissioner orsini
Chairman Fife ordered Mr. Orsini's absence excused as
Mr. Orsini is out of the country.
Staff
Present:
Lee Whittenberg, Director, Development Srvcs. Dept.
Barry Curtis, Admin. Asst., Development Srvcs. Dept.
Mlchael Cho, Intern, Development Services Department
III. SCHEDULED MATTERS
1. Sonia SonjujPresentation re Seal Beach Trailer Park
Chairman Fife announced Ms. Sonju was unavailable to deliver her
presentation tonlght on the Seal Beach Trailer Park. Staff
indicated it will be rescheduled to the January 16, 1991 meeting.
IV. CONSENT CALENDAR
2. Minutes of November 28, 1990
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by McCUrdy to approve the Planning
Commission Minutes of November 28, 1990 Subject to the following
changes:
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Change "Chairman Fife" to "Mr. Whittenberg".
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AYES:
MOTION CARRIED: 4 - 0 - 1
Sharp, McCUrdy, Dahlman, Fife
ABSENT: Orsini
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V. PUBLIC HEARINGS
3.
Conditional Use Permit #12-90
500 Pacific Coast Highway, #104 * Bonnadonna's Restaurant
Resolution No. 1606
staff Report
Mr. curtis delivered the staff report. (Staff Report is on file
in the Department of Development Services). CUP #12-90 is a
request by the applicant, David Bonnadonna, to transfer and upgrade
an existing on-sale beer and wine license to a general liquor
license ln conjunction with the transfer or ownershlp of a
restaurant at 500 Pacific Coast Highway, #104.
commission Comments
commissioner McCurdy asked lf the facility would be operated as one
or two restaurants. Staff replied it's two contiguous suites (Rib
Factory and Cafe Swiss) that, after tenant improvements, wlll be
the new Bonnadonna's Restaurant. The two suites will be connected
wi th a customer aisle. Mr. Curtis sald the applicant wlll be
proposing another new restaurant at the location of the present
Bonnadonna's Restaurant.
commissioner Sharp asked about parklng at the site. Mr. Curtls
said this application will not impact the parking because it is a
restaurant use taking the place of an existing restaurant. He
added that when staff accounts for parking at a restaurant, the
existlng Center is considered to meet parklng requirements with two
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restaurants in those two suites. Putting another restaurant in
place of those two restaurants doesn't increase the square footage
of restaurant in the Center. Chairman Flfe referenced McDonald's
patlo appllcation and said staff was looklng into the ratio of
dining area to total area of the restaurant which might or might
not impact parking requlrements. Mr. curtis said staff is uSlng
the municipal ~ as it's wrltten today for this application.
staff will be reviewing the possibility of a zone change re
changing parking requirements for restaurants to take into account
the seating area lnstead of solely the square footage of the
restaurant.
commissioner Dahlman lndicated the staff report lndicated a
restaurant use but said they will have a bar. Mr. Curtis said the
upgrade to the general llquor llcense would allow the applicant to
integrate a bar into the restaurant. Mr. Curtis said the AlcohollC
Beverage Control Dept. (ABC) would place separate conditlons for
solely a bar. The applicant will meet City and ABC conditions.
Commlssioner McCurdy said lt looks llke two separate restaurants
because there are two separate kitchens but they both serve food.
Commissioner Dahlman asked if this would increase parklng problems
in the evenings? Mr. Curtis said "I'm not certain exactly what
type of impact this wlll have on it. It seems that there might be
a sligtly more service towards evenings than there used to be".
Commissioner McCurdy sald the parklng problems were not only in the
evenlngs. Mr. Curtis said staff has stlll not studied the Center
ln depth but believed the parking problems were mainly at the noon
hour. Commlssioner Dahlman said the spaces are narrow Wl th no
potentlal for restriping to create more parking spaces.
Chairman Fife asked about ABC's definition of a "bona fide" eating
place. Mr. Curtis said it's "More than 50% of the net receipts
must be food items". He asked staff if it had measured the number
of persons who could be seated in the previous two restaurants and
the number of persons who will be seated in the new restaurant?
Mr. curtis said staff was unable to do this because the CUP's for
the previous two restaurants did not have the count for the
seating. Chairman Fife asked staff if the could forsee a door
being placed in the connecting alsle and making these two separate
restaurants - one of which is closer to a lounge? Mr. Whittenberg
responded that the ABC would not allow that to occur unless a new
appllcation were submitted for a separate llcense.
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Public Hearing
Chalrman Fife opened the Public Hearing. The appllcant was not
present. No one in the audience wished to speak for or against
this appllcation.
commission Comments
Commlssioner Dahlman questloned the limiting language of
Condition 9:
9. The term of this permit shall be twelve (12) months,
after WhlCh time the Planning commission shall review and
may extend the permit indefinitely provided that all
conditions of approval have been satisfied and no
significant police problems have occurred.
[Emphasis added to show quallfying language]. Commissioner Dahlman
suggested removal of the highlighted wording so as not to tie the
hands of the Commission. Mr. Curtis suggested removing the word
"indefinitely". Mr. Curtis said that with a new CUP new conditions
can be added. Under the present municipal Code the Clty has no
control of how many seats an applicant can install. He could take
out the lounge and put in any number of seats as long as he meets
the required for parking for the Slze of the restaurant.
MOTION by Dahlman; SECOND by McCurdy to approve Conditional Use
Permit #12-90, with nine conditions and a change to Condition #9
by removing the word "indefinitely", by the adoption of Resolution
No. 1606.
MOTION CARRIED: 4 - 0 - 1
AYES: Sharp, Fife, McCUrdy, Dahlman
ABSENT: Orsini
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4. Zoning Text Amendment #7-90
Surfs ide Right-of-Way Annexation
Resolution No. 1601
staff Report
Mr. Curtls dell vered the staff report WhlCh is a request by
applicant, Surfs ide Colony Ltd., to amend Sections 28-500 thru 28-
506 and 28-600 through 28-604 of The Code of the City of Seal
Beach. CA for the purpose of providing specific development
standards for that portion of the Southern Pacific right-of-way
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within the Surfside Colony. (Staff report on file 1n the
Department of Development Services). Staff recommends approval of
ZTA #7-90 by the adoption of Resolution No. 1601 and the
certif1cation of Negative Declarat10n #4-90 to the City Council.
commission Comments
Cha1rman Fife asked for the Commission's comments.
commissioner Sharp said he preferred to hold his remarks until
after the Public Hearing.
Comm1ssioner McCurdy praised Mr. Curtis for a job well done to meet
both the appl1cant's needs and staff's requirements.
commissioner Dahlman said he regretted Commissioner Orsini was not
present because this is in his d1strict.
Cha1rman Fife, referencing page 2 of the staff report regarding
parking spaces be1ng located off the rear alley, he asked what
would be done for a Minor Plan Review? Mr. curtis sa1d such a
cond1tion could be placed on a Minor Plan Review by the Commission.
Chairman Fife sa1d he would like the Commission to have discretion,
in the s1tuat1on of a remodel that technically qualifies as a M1nor
Plan Rev1ew, to require that the parking may be relocated in
certain circumstances.
Chairman F1fe, referencing page 2 of the staff report regarding
dictating all required parking spaces within Surfs ide be covered
with a carport or a garage, he asked if that imposed an immediate
requirement for building? Mr. curtis said no, it would make
exist1ng units w1thout covered parking spaces legally non-
conforming and at such time they would do major remodeling covered
parking would be required.
Chairman Fife, refercing the staff report, sa1d this approach would
el1minate merging onto Surfs ide from two directions and asked what
t1me span does staff anticipated? Mr. Curtis said wi thin the
existing units would probably be phased out in the next 20 years.
Publ1c Hear1ng
Bob Kendr1ck * President. Surfs1de Colony Ltd.
Mr. Kendrick thanked staff for meeting with them and addressing
their concerns. The Colony 1S in agreement w1th the staff report
and 1ts recommendations. Chairman Fife asked how he felt about
modificat1on of the recommendation for parking relocation off the
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front alley in conncection with any major remodel or addition and
in the discretion of the Commission in a Minor Plan Review? Mr.
Kendrick indicated staff's recommendation conforms to their goals.
Mr. curtis said the Commission already has the authority it' s
seeking but the Commission would want to codify that. Commissioner
Fife asked if the words "major remodel or addition", as used in
this staff report, is a new phrase or is that going to be the
defJ.ning reference to the way that term shows up in certain
sections of the QQdg? Mr. curtis said it's been utilized in the
Code but there's no specific definition, so suggested including
verbage like "and minor remodels at the dJ.scretion of the Planning
Department" to be included in the Code. Chairman FJ.fe saJ.d he was
trYJ.ng to avoid future situatJ.ons where an applicant would
technically argue he is not doing a "major remodel" but a "minor
plan review" and therefore "r don't have to move my garage".
Ella Rowe * A40. Surfside
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Mrs. Rowe spoke in opposition to this application basing most of
her comments on increasing density leading to increasing parking
problems.
Mrs. Rowe questioned lot subdivision possibilities, asking if a 90
foot deep lot could be divided 25'x 35' and 25' x 35'? Mr. curtis
said the minimum lot depth is proposed to be 60 feet and the
deepest lot will be less than 120 feet that so no one will be able
to subdivide because of the new depth. However a person having a
50 foot wJ.de lot could make that into two lots through a legal
subdivisJ.on process.
Mrs. Rowe questioned lot coverage by asking if the whole lot could
be covered wJ.th housing? Mr. curtis said staff has dropped the
recommendatJ.on for maxJ.mum lot coverage. A person cannot cover
100% of the lot but they can cover up to 100% of the lot excluding
setbacks which are, on a 25 foot lot, 3 feet on either side, 3 feet
in the rear, 2 feet on the front and up to the property line on the
second and third stories. commissioner Dahlman asked if the
elimination of section 28-602 remove the setback descriptions? Mr.
curtis advised the removal of that section eliminates the setbacks
from the S-P parking zone however, there are already existing rear
setback requirements for the Residential Low Density (RLD) zone.
Surfside is considered low density zoning. Mrs. Rowe indicated an
owener could build a 4,000 square foot house on these lots.
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Mrs. Rowe said now the garages are on "0" clearance so if somebody
wants to build above the garage what happens to the garage? Mr.
curtis saJ.d the setbacks required are no longer zero lot line. At
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the present time garages in the S-P parking zone are required to
have a zero lot line on the West side. Approval of this
application would eradicate that requirement so that those garages
would become non-conforming and at the time someone redeveloped an
eX1sting garage, it would have to be reconstructed or relocated
because it wouldn't have the correct footings to withstand an
additional load. Also, 1t would have to comply with the 3 foot
side yard setbacks.
Mrs. Rowe sa1d she would like no below grade build1ng because of
problems with flooding and sewers. Mr. Curtis said staff met with
Surfside Colony and it was not felt that requirement was necessary.
If the building met engineering standards, it meets all applicable
bU1lding standards and 1t's built below grade staff has no problem
with that. Sufside Colony did not want to see that removed as a
possibility. Mrs. Rowe sa1d this was another opportunity to build
even b1gger homes thus adding more density to Surfs ide Colony. Mr.
curtis said the Code defines "density" as "dwel11ng units per lot".
So by bU1lding a larger house than currently exists you're not
increasing the den1sity. Mrs. Rowe said she felt bigger houses
would lead to bigger families and/or more persons 11v1ng there and
resultant more cars.
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Mrs. Rowe sa1d Surfside Colony purchased this back p1ece of
property and each homeowner is getting 25' x 20' piece of property
that they paid $22,000 to $35,000 for. Other buyers in Surfside
Colony paid $200,000 for a 25' x 35' lot. All shareholders in the
Colony had to pay $4,900 for their share of the back road and the
parking lot. Most persons wanted this because if they had to give
up that back piece of property they would have to move their
garages. She said "I don't feel those people have had to pay that
much for the property that they should now be able to add over 800
square feet of home to their existing home ... on any other lot in
the Colony you would almost have to tear down the house to add 800
square feet ... to me it adds density. I would rather have seen
the Commission go with some kind of setbacks on the back piece of
property so we don't see such extremely large houses ... I really
feel this isn't be1ng unfa1r to these people because they havent'
had to pay that much for parking, the property was appraised for
parking and garages and that's why they only had to pay as little
as $22,000 and $35,000". She said the Colony only has alley
park1ng, not1ng owners can park two cars 1n a garage and one beh1nd
the garage. She sa1d the new park1ng lot has been half rented out.
She 1nd1cated from behind her house --- from B40 to Al -- there are
over 20 rental units, 15 of which are owned by one owner. Almost
all of those have 3 to 4 individuals living 1n them. Mrs. Rowe
said the staff report doesn't state that the homeowners gaining
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property will now be able to build over the back part and most
Colony residents understood these lots were gaining parking and a
yard.
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commissioner Dahlman, restating the ~ definition of "density",
asked how many dwelling units are allowed on the lot before the
property acquisltion? Mr. curtis said presently one dwelling per
lot is allowed and one dwelling unit per lot would be allowed under
the proposed amendment. Mr. Curtis felt people were confusing
densi ty with intensity of use. commissioner Dahlman indicated this
approxlmates the issues discussed at the last Commission meeting
(123 Elghth street and 601 Ocean Avenue). The Code, in defining
bedrooms and relating it to parking, says if it's non-conformlng
due to density then you can't add bedrooms. There should be a
restrlction on these particular homeowners from adding an unlimited
number of additional bedrooms to ther houses. Mr. Curtis said the
~ requires only two parking spaces for each dwelling unit and
it doesn't say how large the unit may be. Commissioner McCurdy
said there is no prohibition on renting out bedrooms in a dwelllng
uni t. Mr. curtis lndicated it would not be legal to prohibit
rentlng out bedrooms on an individual basls. He further stated
that several court cases have said that people living in a single
house or dwelling unlt, living in a family type manner, sharing
cooking facilities and other things are considered a family ---
whether they are blood kin or otherwise. Commissioner Dahlman said
this appears to be another loophole and there seems to be no way
to address the issue wlthout a definition of "denslty" into the
Code.
Commlssioner Dahlman asked staff if the prior discussion on sump
pumps being required by Code was deleted during the staff/Colony
discussion? Mr. Whittenberg said below grade buildlng would have
to comply with all building code requirements which would probably
include a pumping system. It's a requirement of the Uniform
Building Code and not the City'S zoning ordinances. Mr.
Whlttenberg said that with sub-surface structures pumping
structures are required whether the property's in a flood zone or
not.
Commissioner Sharp clarlfied that the discussion on building
bedrooms in Surfside residences are not similar to Commission
deliberatlon on Mlnor Plan Review applications for 123 8th Street
and 601 Ocean Avenue because the Surfside residences are not short
of parklng.
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Chalrman Fife said he felt the concept of two parking spaces per
dwelling unit was probably conceived in the context of dwelling
uni ts being located on public streets which provide additional
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parking capabi11ties. But in Surfside that option doesn't exist.
He wondered if the definition of "two parking spaces per dwel11ng
unit" 1S fully adaptable in Surfside. Mr. curtis that unless
parking is required to be placed on the front and rear of the
property, the lots in Surfs ide are too narrow to accommodate
additional parking.
Comm1ssioner McCurdy asked staff if parking was allowed in alleys?
Mr. Curt1s sa1d he didn't know if it was legal. Mr. Kendrick said
park1ng 1n alleys is allowed. There is no police enforcement in
the Colony but there is a "community system of pOliteness". He
said the residents are happy with the parking situation there.
Mr. Kendrick commented on Mrs. Rowe's position by indicating the
the shareholders ln the Colony didn't go into this plan blindly.
The property was purchased for a specific purpose which was to
ma1ntain single family homes and protection from purchase by other
developers. The1r goal was not to let the property be subdiv1ded
and 1ncrease density; they planned to request R1 zoning from the
ci ty. It was a concensus of all shareholders to purchase the
property with the 1ntent to use the land to build out the use of
that property. The property was not purchased as a parking space
and rear yard at all. Chairman Fife commented on Mrs. Rowe's
remarks re the cost of that land and asked Mr. Kendrick if he was
able to negotiate with Southern Pacific Railroad based on the
assumption that the property could only be used for park1ng? Mr.
Kendrick said "That was a negotiating point of course. If you were
to look at it dollar for dollar we got a good deal, plus the BRow
owner did. Of course, at the same time the community acted as an
angel for S1xty homeowners and put the money up. We put it up as
a corporation. It was a business dec1sion ... we run the Colony
as a corporation and we treat as a business decision and we
negotiate it that way. Our fortune in purchasing at a good price
was also a r1sk position. We d1dn't have entitlements for R1 but
we all took the risk and ... we hope you conform to our w1shes and
g1 ve us R1". Regard1ng subterranean parking, Mr. Kendrick said the
Colony views this as a personal call and Surfside has not taken any
position on what someone should do with their house.
Commissioner Dahlman asked Mr. Kendr1ck about the following
provisions on measuring height limits:
Section 28-503 of the QQgg be amended to provide a common base
height from wh1ch to measure all building heights within
Surfs1de. Staff, after meet1ng with representat1ves of the
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Surfside Colony, is recommending the following be added to the
end of ~28-503: ", as measured from the crown of Surfside
Avenue."
Such an amendment would provide a more permanent base he1ght
for the Colony. Presently the shifting sand is utilized for
the base height along the "A" row.
Mr. Kendrick said the Colony never knew it was based on sh1fting
sand. The Colony has a 35 foot height 11mi t but never knew
averaging was be1ng done to determine height. This came to light
1n December 1990 when a problem cropped up. The Colony supports
a mean measurement, which is the street's crown as it's the most
consistent thing along the beach front.
commissioner McCurdy said in 1972 the Colony lost a lot of sand and
there was water under the houses. Mr. Kendrick said "We've been
los1ng sand off and on since the creation of the east jetty by the
Navy 1n 1945. Immediately after that we lost f1ve or six homes in
the first storm that hit. And then continually have lost homes
since then. So 1t'S a unique beach. Sometimes it's a beach".
Steve Rowe * Secretary. Sunset Beach Sanitary District
Mr.Rowe said after the 1983 - 1984 floods they wanted to come to
the City and initiate a restriction on underground plumbing
fixtures. As a result of the 1983 - 1984 floods and a history of
flood1ng in Surfside, the sand and sea water went into the toilets
and bas1ns thereby coming 1nto the water system. They took five
yards of sand out of their system at the Anderson Street man hole.
They thought the line was broken but found the sand and sea water
was a result of direct 1nfiltration from the various below grade
plumbing fixtures. The Sanitary District would like the Code to
restrict underground plumbing fixtures. Sump pumps kicks on and
pumps storm water. It 1S aga1nst District 11 regulations that
storm water be pumped into the water system. In 1983 - 1984 during
the floods, the Colony and the Sanitary District lost electricity.
That meant that the four motors of the main pumps shut down.
Sewage water was g01ng into Sunset Beach; Surfside 1S at the h1gh
end of the system. That flood1ng got into the Sanitary District's
impellers and wore them unduly. The cost was borne by the
Government and the Sanitary District taxpayers all as a result of
underground plumbing f1xtures.
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Mr. Rowe asked if tandem parking was permitted. Mr. Curtis sald
"People can utilize tandem parklng but we only count it as one
parking space". Mr. curtis said new habi tble structure must be six
feet apart; garages are not habitable. Over time the non-
conformities will weed out and everyone will be six feet apart.
Chalrman Flfe asked that if the Commlssion were lncllned to
prohiblt underground plumbing fixtures how would that be done? Mr.
whlttenberg said staff would recommend an amendment to the
ordinances that reference the Uniform Building Code and a specific
provision would have to been prepared and forwarded to the City
Councl1 for consideration and action to them. This type of
amendment would not come back to the Planning Commission.
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Chairman Flfe, noting tandem parking is not allowed wi thin the
Clty, but because of Surfside's unlque situation asked if there
could there be a requlrement that you put in tandem spaces in? Mr.
curtis said each garage parking space is 20 feet deep and the lot
that's being added onto their existing lot is only 25 feet deep,
so they would have to tear lnto the existing residence 15 feet.
The Commission could recommend this.
Bob Montgomery * Board of Dlrectors. Surfside Colony
Mr. Montgomery said he favored ZTA #7-90. Noting he had lived in
Surfside seventeen years, Mr. Montgomery said B71, B72 and B73 are
typical residences which have been built the same way the new homes
could be bUllt. They are 80' to 90' deep lots, 3 stories, 3500 to
4000 square feet, double car garages in the rear, no extra parking
space behind garage. There has not been any abuse of the large
square footage as Mrs. Rowe noted. The B row homes (B1 thru B70)
presently have a third parklng place at their rear except for B71,
B72 and B73. Mr. curtis sald parklng dimensions are 8' x 16' for
compact spaces and 9' x 20' for regular spaces. Mr. Montgomery
said "In reality the impacted properties that we're talking about
could have 3~ parking spaces --- the double car garage plus 1.5
parking spaces behind that". Regarding tandem parking, he thought
that would be a wrong way to go as it would encourage multiple
family use.
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Ella Rowe sald the example Mr. Montgomery sited lsn't accurate
because the B row homes he slted face a parking lot. She said one
of those residents is rentlng two or three parking spaces in that
lot. However, thlrty houses down B row, there is no parklng lot
and there is a real parklng problem due to no place to put extra
cars.
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Mr. Kendrick said Surfside Colony likes to see unique homes with
relief from box-like structures but said it was difficult to design
on narrow lots. He said the parking problems have d1minished over
the years. The Colony has "transi tioned from ... basically renters
to homeowners to where ... we're right now 50/50 ... it's turn1ng
over but it does take t1me. Our goal is to make it a community of
fam1lies ... each homeowner has the right, although the street
adjacent to his house belongs to the community, he has the
authority of the corporation to call the Pol1ce and remove a car
if they're parked in front of their house ... I come home and
there's a parking place in front of my house ...".
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Comm1ssioner Dahlman said the Colony is handling the parking
problem by saturating the parking resource. The parking will
become saturated to a point where there isn't any more parking.
He interpreted Mr. Kendrick's statements on parking as parking
would run out then apartments wouldn't be bootlegged in.
Chairman Fife restated the Colony's premise - "If you remove the
present si tuat10n which allows some parking in front and some
parking 1n back, that that will shift the future course of that
particular un1t toward a single family use rather than a rental
use". Mr. Kendrick said that the increased financial investment
in the lot would demand that it become a single family house. Mr.
Fife said he was inclined to think that large homes with many
family members tend to work their parking problems out between
them.
commissioner Sharp noted that with the cost of housing being very
high we're going to have people sharing a house. Many young people
cannot afford to have a house on their own so they have to share.
Commissioner Dahlman asked why "Maybe" was checked on Risk of
Upset. Explosion~ Release of Hazardous Substances on the Negative
Declaration (page 5 of Attachment 2, Appendix 1)? He noted the
following commentary did not address that "Maybe". Mr. curtis sa1d
he would have to read back through his notes on why that was given
a "Maybe" response but felt it could have been designated as
"Maybe" during the construction phase - if any construction was
going on on these propert1es there is that possibility due to
construct10n techniques and "we do feel that is an insignificant
threat". Cha1rman Fife asked if it would be more accurance to say
"The project, when completed, will not result in the risk of an
explosion"? Mr. Curtis said since there is a minute possib1lity
"Maybe" should be indicated but he will re-check in case this is
an error.
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Commlssioner Sharp said that if they're using the road as a means
of measuring, he would think they would also use that for the level
of the lots. He felt the Code should be amended to prohlbi t
locating plumbing fixtures below grade.
The Commisslon recommended that the City Council consider an
appropriate amendment to the Uniform Building Code to restrict
locating plumbing fixtures below grade.
Mr. Whittenberg read Section 28-213 from the munlcipal Code on
measuring building height:
Building height means the vertical distance
measured from the average level of the hightest
and lowest point of that portion of the building
slte covered by the building to the highest
point of the roof peak.
He indicated the Code does specify an average situation be taken
on the proposed bUllding site. In Surfside the ground surface
tends to fluctuate over the years.
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Dahlman to approve Zoning Text Amendment
#7-90 be approved through the adoption of Resolution 1601 and with
the change that the parking be moved to the rear of the lot in
conjunction with any major remodel or addition or in the discretion
of the Planning commission with respect to Minor Plan Reviews and
recommend certification of Negative Declaration #4-90 to the City
Council.
MOTION CARRIED: 4 - 0 - 1
AYES: McCUrdy, Sharp, Fife, Dahlman
ABSENT: Orsini
[Emphasls added].
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Dahlman for the Planning Commission to
recommend to the City Council that they study the Uniform Building
Code for Surfs ide as to plumbing and below ground level
construction and advise the Planning Commission if they wish to
have the commission hold Public Hearings.
MOTION CARRIED: 4 - 0 - 1
AYES: McCUrdy, Sharp, Fife, Dahlman
ABSENT: Orsini
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commissioner Dahlman asked Mr. Whittenberg if municipal Code
section 28-213 should be modified to include the height measurement
for Surfsl.de? Mr. Whl. ttenberg said there will be a separate
definition in the Ordinance for Surfside.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
There were no oral communications from the audience.
STAFF CONCERNS
Memorandum re Minor Plan Review #8-90
Barry Curtis said on October 1, 1990 the Commission approved Minor
Plan Review #8-90, the converSl.on of a four unit apartment to a
three unit apartment. The Commission imposed conditions on the
approval due to the moratorium of covered roof access structures.
The applicant wants to go ahead with the construction and he came
to the Building Department to obtain an after-the-fact building
permit for an installed enclosed patio awning which was going to
be added to the Minor Plan Review. In staff's opinion l.t wasn't
conforming to the approved plans. The applicant installed this as
a stop-gap measure until the time the moratorium was lifted and
then he wanted to proceed with the rest of hl.S addition. Staff is
requesting the Commission pick the appropriate course of action:
(1) have the applicant apply for a new Minor Plan Review for the
addl.tl.on as it's been bUl.lt to date and at the time the
moratorium's ll.fted he could go ahead with hl.S original and
approved proposal or (2) to allow the applicant to obtain a permit
for the awning which staff would recommend be consl.dered a
temporary structure utilized only until the moratorl.um on CRAS was
lifted. The Commission could place a time limit on time for
removal.
Mr. Curtl.s described the awning as bridging an open area between
the two ground floor units. It has a roof, walls and windows. If
Ordinance 1309 is never repealed the applicant cannot build the
structure. Ordinance 1309 has an automatic expiration date
pursuant to state law which is 10 months and 15 days from date of
adoption whl.ch would be April - May 1991. The City Council has
scheduled Public Hearings for the new CRAS provl.sions December 10,
1990. It would take effect in early February and would repeal the
urgency Ordinance.
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MOTION by Sharp: SECOND by Dahlman to ask the applicant of Minor
Plan Review #8-90 to follow staff recommendation #1:
To have the applicant apply for a new
Minor Plan Review for the addition as
it's been built so far.
MOTION CARRIED: 4 - 0 - 1
AYES: McCurdy, Fife, Sharp, Dahlman
ABSENT: Orsini
Mr. curtis said staff will provide cond1tions at the January 2,
1991 meeting. This is not an urgent issue because the structure
has already been 1nstalled.
Mr. Whittenberg wished the Planning Commiss1on a happy holiday
season.
Mr. Whittenberg said the information on hazardous waste perm1ts at
the Naval Weapons station was provided to the Commissioners for
information purposes w1th no action necessary. The City Council
will consider this item on December 10, 1990. The Environmental
Quality Control Board will review it on December 18, 1990. It's
author1ty to continue for five years an operation that's been on-
going there for several years.
COMMISSION CONCERNS
Mun1cipal Code Change re Auto Detailing
Cha1rman Fife asked Mr. Curtis the status of a municipal Code
change for Ed Quayle's car detail1ng shop? Mr. Curt1s said staff
has the information it needs and is looking into the broad picture
of the auto detailing trade and achieve fair standards. Mr. Quayle
1S working now and "doesn't have a problem until this is dealt
w1th". Staff should have a report to the Commission at the
January 16, 1990 meet1ng.
Curtis Response to Comments by Stark
Chairman Fife said "I would note for the Record that I've read your
response to the comments to Mr. Stark's comments at the
September 5 and September 19, 1990, and I thought that was a good
jOb".
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ADJOURNMENT
Chairman Fife adjourned the meeting at 9:45 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted,
~o~
J an Fillmann
Secretary
Planning Department
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These Minutes are tentative and subject to the approval of the
Planning commiss1on.
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The Planning commission Minutes of December 5, 1990 were approved
by the Commission on January ___, 1991.