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CITY OF SEAL BEACH
PLANNING COMMISSION l\ffiETING
AGENDAorDECEMBER9,1~2
7.30 P.M. * CIty Council Chambers
211 EIghth Street, Seal Beach, CA
I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
ll. ROLL CALL
ill. CONSENT CALENDAR
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1. Minutes of November 18, 1992
2. Minor Plan Review #92-43
Address: 215 & 215% 17th Street
Applicants: Peter & Jean Mason
Property Owners: Peter & Jean Mason
Request: Construction of a two-story structure which will
join two separate units.
Resolution: #92-76
SCHEDULED MATTERS
3. Cancellation of December 23, 1992 meeting.
4. Signing of Resolutions from November 18th meeting:
Reso. No.
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92-63
92-46
92-67
92-68
92-69
92-70
92-71
92-72
92-73
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111 Main ,
A-tt1i Surfside
32S( 16th St.
25~~) 6th St.
254 1~~~ St.
404 ; C!>cean
117 4th St.
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Final Draft for Consideration of>Proposed City council ,Policy
Statement # : Stan~rd conditions for Alcoholic Beverage Licenses.
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v. PUBLIC HEARINGS
6. Height Variation #92-44
Address: 1605 Ocean Avenue
Applicant: Melinda P. Sharp
Property Owners: James & Melinda Sharp
Request: CRAS approval
Resolution #: 92-80
7. Height Variation #92-45
Address: 1514 Ocean Avenue
Applicant: Ernest E. Van Dorn
Property Owner: Ernest E. Van Dorn
Request: CRAS approval
Resolution #: 92-79
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Height Variation #92-46
Address: 1607 Ocean A venue
Applicant: Enrique H. Becerra
Property Owner: Enrique H. Becerra
Request: CRAS approval
Resolution #: 92-81
9. Height Variation #92-47
Address: 1514 Marine Avenue
Applicant: Michael J. Olson
Property Owner: Michael J. Olson
Request: CRAS approval
Resolution #: 92-78
10. Conditional Use Pennit #91-17
Continued from 11..18-'2 meeting"
Operation: Pasta Grotto
Address: 117 Main Street
Applicants: Vincenzo Ricci & Doug Maris
Property Owner: Edward Hogard
Request: Indermite Extension of CUP and
Modification of Hours
Resolution: #92-63
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11. Conditional Use Permit #92-10
Coodnued from It-l8-!U meeting.,
Operation: Irisher
Address: 121 Main Street
Applicants: Robert & Wilma Campregher
Property Owner: Mark R. Johnson
Request: After-the-fact CUP for ABC
license to sell beer, wine and distilled
spirits.
Resolution: #92-66
~ote: Continue tQ January 6j 1993
12. Conditional Use Permit #90-12
Operation: Restaurant Bonadonna
Address: SOO Pacific Coast H wy.
Applicant: David Bonadonna
Property Owner: Jim Watson
Request: Indefinite extension of CUP
for an on-sale general liquor license.
Resolution: #92-75
13. Conditional Use Permit #92-21
Operation: Main Street Deli
Address: 303/305 Main Street
Applicant: Josiane Tafani
Property Owner: Thomas E. Hyams
Request: Transfer an on-sale beer and wine license
with ownership transfer.
Resolution: #92-77
14. Conditional Use Permit #92-12, Variance #92-2
Negative Declaration #92-5
Address: Base of Water Tower @ 1 Anderson
Street (Vacant lot has not been assigned an
address)
Applicant: Jeff Overeem
Property Owner: Jeff Overeem
Request: To constmct a quick lube/carwash
on subject property.
Resolutions: #92-64/Carwash
#92-65IDrive Aisle
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ORAL COM:MUNITCA nONS
STAFF CONCERNS
1. Memo/CUP #92-1, Tootsie's Restaurant, 909 Ocean Avenue
COMMISSION CONCERNS
ADJOURNMENT to JANUARY 6.1993
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CITY OF SEAL BEACH
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
DECEMBER 9, 1992
The regularly scheduled Planning Commission meeting of December 9,
1992 was called to order by Vice Chairman Dahlman at 7:30 p.m. in
City Council Chambers.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge of Allegiance was said.
ROLL CALL
Present:
Vice Chairman Dahlman
commissioners Law, Sharp
Staff
Present:
Department of Development Services:
Michael Colantuono, Assistant City Attorney
Barry Curtis, Administrative Assistant
Joan Fillmann, Executive Secretary
Absent:
Chairman Fife
Commissioner Orsini
Lee Whittenberg, Director
Without Commission objection, Vice Chairman Dahlman
excused the absences of Chairman Fife and
Commissioner Orsini.
Mr. Colantuono indicated that the City's municipal Code, which
creates and authorizes the Planning Commission, requires that
applications for land use approvals be approved by a majority of
the entire membership of the Planning Commission. He read:
"Section 17-4 (d). Unless a different vote is required by
the City Charter, or by an applicable provision of State
law, no application for consideration before the Planning
Commission shall be approved by less than an affirmative
vote of a majority of the entire membership of the
Planning Commission".
Three afirmative votes are needed to approve any application. It
applies only to applications and not to minutes, tabling or
continuing matters, administrative actions.
Vice Chairman Dahlman asked if the Commission failed to approve an
application because they did not have the required three votes,
does that deny the application? Mr. Colantuono said yes. The
failure to take an action is the failure to grant what the
applicant wants. He recommended that if an application cannot be
approved by 3 - 0 the Commission could take an action by a 2 - 1
vote and set it for the next Commission meeting.
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Commissioner Sharp asked how many issues on this calendar would be
affected? Mr. Colantuono said almost all on the agenda. Vice
Chairman Dahlman indicated the Commission would move ahead with the
agenda and provide people the opportunity to reschedule as
appropriate.
CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Approval of November 18, 1992 Planning commission Minutes
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Law to approve the Minutes of
November 18, 1992 with the following corrections:
Page 3, paragraph 2, delete "to" before "continue".
Page 13, paragraph 2, add "... additional Notice of the "
before "Public Hearing".
Page 21, paragraph 3, delete "wants to know more", replace
with "knows".
Page 22, paragraph 4, replace last phrase with "I have never
said that this particular use should not be exempt" he said.
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
ABSENT:
3 - 0 - 2
Sharp, Dahlman, Law
Fife, Orsini
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2. Minor Plan Review #92-43
215/215\ 17th Street
Staff Report
Mr. Curtis delivered the staff report. [Staff report on file
in the Planning Department]. The applicants, Peter and Jean
Mason, want to add approximately 245 square feet to both the
one-story front unit and the second story rear unit of their
legal non-conforming duplex. They are proposing to enclose an
open patio between the two units and construct a roof deck of
approximately 350 square feet over each unit. It will remain
as two units. The applicants have a 22' sailboat on a
trailer; this will not fit in their garage. It must be
removed from the property to allow unobstructed access to the
garages.
Commission Comments
The applicants were not present.
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The Commissioners reviewed the plans. They were concerned the
proposed hallway/study area be made more open so it could not
constitute another bedroom. This hallway is the only access
to the master bedroom. The Commission did not want to disturb
the definition of "bedroom". It was indicated that the
applicants are not converting the two units to one unit, thus
making the property more conforming. Therefore, they felt the
applicants should adhere to the established definition of
"bedroom". Staff suggested the existing exterior wall which
separates the new master bedroom from the old bedroom be
removed. The Commission discussed various configurations and
degrees of openness.
Staff inspection revealed the garage was being used in
conjunction with the applicants'approved day care facility.
They noted the condition that old electrical system be brought
to Code standards is an important safety concern. The heating
system is adequate but needs seismic tie downs.
MOTION by Law; SECOND by Sharp to approve Minor Plan Review
#92-43, through the adoption of Resolution No. 92-76, subject
to the five conditions stated in the staff report plus a sixth
condition to read:
6.
There shall be a non-obstructed accessway between
the proposed master bedroom and the existing
bedroom of at least six (6') feet in width.
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
ABSENT:
3 - 0 - 2
Law, Sharp, Dahlman
Fife, Orsini
This case has been decided and it is the intention of the
Commissioners to consider a resolution for this issue later in the
meeting. The purpose for this is to avoid a six week delay between
this date and the next meeting on January 6, 1993.
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3. Cancellation of December 23, 1992 Planning Commission meeting.
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Dahlman to cancel the December 23,
1992 Planning Commission meeting.
AYES:
ABSENT:
Sharp, Dahlman, Law
Fife, orsini
vice Chairman Dahlman, indicating staff will be on a non-paid
furlough the week of December 21 - 25, thanked the City employees
for pitching in during the City's budget crisis.
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4.
Consideration of Resolutions from November 18, 1992 Planning
commission meeting.
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Law to approve the following
resolutions from items on previous agendas:
Reso. No. Address Item
92-46 1300 PCR Mobil/2-6 AM
92-67 111 Main Clancy's/ABC
92-68 A-l09 Surfside CRAS
92-69 325 16th st. CRAS
92-70 252 16th st. CRAS
92-71 254 16th st. CRAS
92-72 404 Ocean CRAS
92-73 117 4th st. CRAS
Regarding Resolution No. 92-67, the word "no" must be inserted
at Condition #19, to read "There shall be no dumping of trash
between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 7:00 a.m.... Vice Chairman
Dahlman urged staff to avoid using the words "no" and "not.. in
Resolutions.
The following resolution will be considered at this
meeting:
Reso. No.
92-63
Address
117 Main
Item
Pasta Grotto/ABC
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
ABSENT:
3 - 0 - 2
Sharp, Law, Dahlman
Fife, Orsini
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5. Final Draft for Consideration of Proposed City council Policy
statement # : Standard Conditions for Alcoholic Beverage
Licenses.
staff Report
Mr. Curtis presented the policy statement. [Policy statement on
file in the Planning Department]. This item has been continued
from the November 18, 1992. Staff researched the issue of the sale
of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with the sale of motor
vehicle fuels and this policy statement includes the specific state
conditions; this affects Condition #29. These are minimum state
standards and the City may impose additional conditions.
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Commission Comments
commissioner Sharp indicated this policy statement is a
recommendation from the Planning Commission to the City Council;
the Council will have the final authority. There will be a Public
Hearing at the Council level.
Vice Chairman Dahlman said he would fight any issue in which a
gasoline station could sell alcohol. He objected to the language
in Condition #29(B) "No advertisement of alcoholic beverages shall
be displayed at motor fuel islands", indicating this could lead to
the interpretation that alcohol could be sold in conjunction with
gasoline stations. He asked Mr. Curtis if there were any gasoline
stations in the City that could benefit from this? Mr. Curtis said
there are none, this falls more under a gasoline station or mini-
market than it would a grocery market. The City Code says the only
thing you're allowed to sell at gasoline service stations is
incidental motorist services and supplies. Since alcoholic
beverages cannot be consumed by motorists, it is staff's position
that alcoholic beverages are not incidental motorist services and
supplies and are therefore prohibited from sale at gasoline selling
places in the City of Seal Beach. If the City was writing a new
municipal Code today, it could not have language restricting the
sale of alcohol at gasoline service stations. Our Code section was
in effect before 1988 and we are allowed to continue to enforce
this.
Mr. Colantuono said the State has the power to preempt any and all
local regulations regarding licensed alcohol sales. The 33rd
amendment to the United States Constitution, which repealed
prohibition, conferred the power to control alcohol sales on the
States. Seal Beach is a Charter city and is exempt from certain
regulations. The city has an ordinance prohibiting the sale of
alcoholic beverages and other commodities at gas stations. And
because that ordinance is sufficiently old, the legislature allows
the City to continue to enforce it. The City Attorney's Office
would advise the City not to tinker with that ordinance. Mr.
Colantuono said he had not discussed this issue with the Planning
Director but there are no gas stations in town that can sell
alcohol and there are not going to be any, then Condition #29 would
seem moot and could be deleted. This package could be recommended
to the City Council without those conditions.
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Law to forward this proposed City
council policy Statement re standard conditions of Approval for
Alcoholic Beverage Licenses to the City Council with a memo that
the City Attorney's Office should examine these conditions and have
further discussions as to whether Condition #29 should be included
at the City Council level.
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
ABSENT:
3 - 0 - 2
Sharp, Law, Dahlman
Fife, Orsini
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Tom Charara - Seal Beach Businessmen's Association said this is not
for gasoline service stations, it's intended for restaurants that
sell alcohol.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
with the Commission's consent, the following agenda items were
considered together:
6. Height variation #92-44
Address: 1605 Ocean Avenue
Applicant: Melinda P. Sharp
Property Owners: James' Melinda Sharp
Request: CRAS approval
Resolution #: 92-80
7. Height Variation #92-45
Address: 1514 Ocean Avenue
Applicant: Ernest E. Van Dorn
Property Owner: Ernest E. Van Dorn
Request: CRAS approval
Resolution #: 92-79
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Height Variation #92-46
Address: 1607 Ocean Avenue
Applicant: Enrique H. Becerra
Property Owner: Enrique H. Becerra
Request: CRAS approval
Resolution #: 92-81
9. Height Variation #92-47
Address: 1514 Marine Avenue
Applicant: Michael J. Olson
Property Owner: Michael J. Olson
Request: CRAS approval
Resolution #: 92-78
Staff Report
Mr. Curtis delivered the staff reports. [Staff reports on file in
the Planning Department].
Commission Comments
Commissioner Sharp clarified that James and Melissa Sharp are not
his relatives and he doesn't know them. Therefore, he does not
have conflict of interest.
Vice Chairman Dahlman expressed concern on the lack of permits and
plans, stating that what is permitted by the Planning Commission is
what is actually built. Commissioner Sharp said the older
. structure's permits and plans may be in Orange County files, not
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City files. Mr. curtis said the City has not been able to afford
to microfilm many of its plans and permits, therefore, they are not
easily accessible. The Building Department will be advised the
plans are missing and perhaps they can get them from the developer.
Public Hearinq
No applicants were present and no one in the audience wished to
speak for or against these applications. The Public Hearing was
closed.
Mr. curtis read a (written) telephone message from Barbara Antoci
expressing her view that when something has been constructed
according to the existing Code provisions it should not be required
to come before the city for further approval, it should be
automatically approved. [Attached]
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Dahlman to approve the following:
6. Height Variation #92-44
Address: 1605 Ocean Avenue
Resolution #: 92-80
7.
Height Variation #92-45
Address: 1514 Ocean Avenue
Resolution #: 92-79
8.
Height Variation #92-46
Address: 1607 Ocean Avenue
Resolution #: 92-81
9.
Height Variation #92-47
Address: 1514 Marine Avenue
Resolution #: 92-78
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
ABSENT:
3 - 0 - 2
Sharp, Dahlman, Law
Fife, Orsini
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10. Conditional Use Permit #91-17
117 Main Street * Pasta Grotto
staff Report
Mrs. Fillmann presented the staff report. [Staff report on file in
the Planning Department]. The applicants, Vincenzo and Antonia
Ricci, are requesting an indefinite extension of CUP #91-17, an
existing on-sale beer and wine license, and modification of their
hours to stay open to 11:00 p.m. on Friday and Saturday nights.
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commission Comments
There were no Commission comments.
Public Hearinq
Antonia Ricci * 117 Main st., Seal Beach * Pasta Grotto
Mrs. Ricci introduced herself as an owner of Pasta Grotto
restaurant and spoke in favor this application. She said they are
requesting the additional hour on Friday and saturday nights to
accommodate the occasional late diner. They do not want him/her to
rush to finish a bottle of wine or for them to have to remove the
wine from the table.
Tom Charara * Seal Beach Businessmen's Association
Mr. Charara spoke in favor of this application. He stated Pasta
Grotto restaurant is a fine restaurant and is a definite addition
to the city. He felt it would be a good idea to have a fine
restaurant open a little later on Main street.
David Rosenman * rNo address qivenl, Seal Beach
Mr. Rosenman said the City's in-lieu parking is inadequate because
the fees don't fund mitigation measures. The City's Land Use
Element is not approved by the California Coastal Commission.
Mr. Curtis said Pasta Grotto is grandfathered in, it's not in the
in-lieu program. The Commission imposed parking mitigation fees on
Pasta Grotto however.
LeRoy Brown * 705 Ocean Avenue, Seal Beach
Mr. Brown showed the Commission a newspaper article from the Orange
County Register of November 29, 1992. He objected to the
indefinite extension of the on-sale license because 25% of the
City's police action takes place on Main Street. He felt Pasta
Grotto has not been in business very long and once granted, the
City would have no further control.
Vice Chairman Dahlman indicated the number of conditions of
approval is tripling for CUPs.
Mr. Curtis clarified an indefinite extension, saying it grants an
extension until such a time as the Planning Commission or City
Councilor staff feels there is a problem which needs to be
addressed. At that point, a hearing before the Commission would be
scheduled. Mr. Brown said it would take a lot more force to get
a hearing than not to grant the indefinite extension.
Gordon Shanks * 215 Surf, Seal Beach
Mr. Shanks spoke in opposition, saying in theory there is nothing
wrong with this but again, in practice, there is. When one
establishment gets an extension of hours then, to be fair, other
similar establishments must get extended hours. He said matters
get incrementally approved without any City general policy. He
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urged the Planning Commission to delay this indefinite extension
until a general policy for liquor selling establishments is
established.
vice Chairman Dahlman asked that the November 29, 1992 Orange
County Register newspaper article be entered for the Record.
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David Rosenman * Seal Beach
Mr. Rosenman asked Mr. Colantuono why a hold harmless condition,
similar to SeaSide Grill and Papillon, was not placed as part of
the conditions of approval. Mr. Colantuono said the City
Attorney's Office prepared the resolutions for SeaSide Grill and
restaurant Papillon, staff drafted Pasta Grotto's resolution. Mr.
Rosenman asked Mr. Colantuono if he would obj ect to the hold
harmless condition being added to Pasta Grotto. Mr. Colantuono
said his legal advise would be there is no object but, it is a
policy question.
Mr. Colantuono said an indemnity is only worth as much money as the
person who provides it. Requir ing indemnity clauses is useful
because it means that if somebody has to pay legal fees, you're
second in line. But if you're behind a pauper, it does very little
good to be second in line.
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Rebuttal * Mrs. Ricci * Pasta Grotto
Mrs. Ricci said Pasta Grotto was not going to post closing time as
11:00 p.m., they were going to leave it posted at 10:00 p.m. They
are requesting the additional hour to accommodate late diners; ABC
allows them to 11:00 p.m.. They don't want to have to remove a
bottle of wine at 10:00 p.m..
Vice Chairman Dahlman said for two years the beer and wine
licenses, except for SeaSide Grill, were given the same hours,
10:00 p.m. week-days and 11:00 p.m. Friday and Saturday.
Tom Charara * Seal Beach Businessmen's Association
Mr. Charara said he didn't understand the obj ections from the
audience. He said the applicant was requesting the additional hour
for food service. If anybody wants to drink, they know where the
drinking establishments are on Main Street. They're not going to
go to Pasta Grotto and get drunk. Pasta Grotto is a fine dining
establishment. It's not fair, when certain establishments are open
to 2:00 a.m. selling hard liquor and a fine dining establishment is
asking to extend for one extra hour to 11:00 p.m.
Vice Chairman Dahlman closed the Public Hearing.
Mr. Colantuono made a technical suggestion. The 25th condition
reads "The applicant remains bound by the conditions of Resolution
No. 1654, regarding CUP #91-17". He suggested adding the phrase ",
. except in so far as those conditions are amended by this approval".
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Before the vote, Vice Chairman Dahlman said many of the concerns of
those who spoke in opposition to this application are concerns
about the whole map (Orange County Register article of November 29,
1992) but Pasta Grotto is not the problem. Mrs. Ricci is asking
for the same treatment that all other applicants have received in
the last two years. She is not asking for, nor demanding, 1:00
a.m. "I'm going to support this application".
commissioner Sharp, indicating the Orange County Register article
had been mentioned, said everyone has read newspaper articles and
everyone knows you can't always believe everything you read in a
newspaper. There was a participant corne before the Planning
Commission and described the slime and degradation that goes on in
Seal Beach when there's a parade. This is not true. He said he
has attended several of those parades, walked the length of Main
Street and never saw a finer conducted parade or a finer bunch of
people. He saw no disorderly conduct. It's outlandish to have
something like that quoted when it's not true.
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Law to approve the indefinite extension
of Conditional Use Permit #91-17, subject to twenty-six (26)
conditions set forth in the staff report, with the phrase "except
in so far as those conditions are amended by this approval" at
condition #25 and with a 27th condition/indemnity clause, by the
approval of Resolution No. 92-63.
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
ABSENT:
3 - 0 - 2
Sharp, Law, Dahlman
Fife, orsini
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11. Conditional Use Permit #92-10
121 Main Street * Irisher
Mr. Curtis said the applicants have requested to confer with
Planning Department staff and the City Attorney's Office regarding
questions they have about the entire process of them having to
obtain a CUP. To allow that meeting to take place, staff has
requested this item be continued to the January 6, 1993.
Vice Chairman Dahlman took an informal poll on how many persons
came to speak to this issue. No one wished to speak on this item.
Mr. Colantuono asked the Minutes reflect the fact that the
continuance is at the request of the applicant.
Public Hearinq
The Public Hearing was opened to entertain a motion to continue.
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MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Dahlman to continue Conditional Use
Permit #92-10, at the applicant's consent, to the Planning
Commission meeting of January 6, 1993.
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
ABSENT:
3 - 0 - 2
Sharp, Dahlman, Law
Fife, Orsini
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RECESS The Commission recessed from 8:50 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.
12. Conditional Use Permit #90-12
500 Pacific Coast Highway * Restaurant Bonadonna
staff Report
Mrs. Fillmann presented the staff report. [Staff report on file in
the Planning Department]. The applicant, David Bonadonna, J.S
requesting an indefinite extension of Conditional Use Permit #90-12
for an existing on-sale general liquor license.
Commission Comments
There were no Commission comments.
Public Hearinq
The applicant was not present and no one wished to speak in favor
of or against this application; the Public Hearing was closed.
Commission Comments
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Law to approve Conditional Use Permit
#90-12, by the adoption of Resolution No. 92-75, indefinitely
extending an existing on-sale general liquor license for the
restaurant Bonadonna.
MOTION CARRIES:
AYES:
ABSENT:
3 - 0 - 2
Sharp, Law, Dahlman
Fife, Orsini
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13. Conditional Use Permit #92-21
303/305 Main Street
Staff Report
Mrs. Fillmann presented the staff report. [Staff report on file in
the Planning Department]. The applicant, Josiane Tafani, requests
a new CUP for the transfer of an on-sale beer and wine license at
303/305 Main street in conjunction with the transfer of ownership
of an existing restaurant.
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commission Comments
Vice Chairman Dahlman asked if staff would recommend sticking with
the present hours of operation for CUP #91-7, which are 6:00 a.m.
to 10:00 p.m. daily or following the requested hours from 6:00 am
to 11: 00 p.m. Staff indicated the Notice did not include
modification of hours. Staff did recommend review at six months
due to a new owner.
Public Hearinq
Tom Charara * 303/305 Main Street. Seal Beach
Mr. Charara, former owner of Main Street Deli, presented a Power of
Attorney from the new owner, Josiane Tafani. He indicated the name
of the restaurant will be Main Street Cafe and Grilli a fictitious
name statement ran in the News Enterprise.
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The requested hours are 6:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. but she asked for
those hours for saleability of the business.
Regarding condition #6, Mr. Charara objected to the wording
"Interior displays of alcoholic beverages which are clearly visible
to the exterior shall constitute a violation of this condition".
He said any restaurant which has a neon alcoholic beverage sign
will be in violation of this rule. No matter how the sign is
covered, it could be said that it is visible. He asked for removal
of this wording.
Regarding condition # 16, Mr. Charara obj ected to the wording "There
shall be no dumping of trash and/or glass bottles outside the
establishment between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 7:00 a.m." Mr.
Charara said it is a health hazard to let trash to sit in the
restaurant over night. Vice Chairman Dahlman said this is the
first time this condition has been challenged. Mr. Charara said
his dumping trash would not be noisy because his trash bin is in
the back.
Regarding condition #19, Mr. Charara objected to the wording "...
and none shall be sold as take-out". He stated his ABC license is
on-sale with off-sale privileges. He would like different wording
to reflect that he can sell beer and wine to go. Staff could re-
Notice this Public Hearing in the event this is an on-sale and off-
sale ABC license.
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Regarding condition #23, Mr. Charara object to the wording "There
shall be appropriate posting of signs both inside and outside the
licensed premises indicating that drinking outside the licensed
premises is prohibited by law". He asked where this could be
posted outside the Main Street Deli? On the telephone pole or the
palm tree? Mr. Curtis said it would be on the rear walls of the
building, adjacent to the alley or in the exterior patio area or
the front window area. Mr. Charara said the building's owner has
told Mr. Charara not to touch the patio wall.
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Commissioner Sharp said if Mr. Charara is talking about an off-sale
license then there would be complete conflict all through this
issue. Therefore, it should be postponed, re-Noticed, and a report
come back for an on-sale, off-sale issue. He indicated some of the
conditions would not apply if it were an off-sale license. Vice
Chairman Dahlman agreed. Mr. Charara said his ABC license expires
at the end of December and Ms. Tafani's license must commence at
the beginning of January and that's impossible if she doesn't have
a CUP. Mr. Colantuono said the Commission could continue the
Public Hearing and grant the permit that staff Noticed, a permit to
sell alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises. If there
are three votes to do that, Mr. Charara and Ms. Tafani will have
the right to maintain the business and sell alcohol for on-premise
consumption. If the applicant wants to sell alcohol for off-
premise consumption, they would need to come back and amend the
CUP. That hearing could be set tonight, based on the existing
staff report, and there wouldn't have to be a new application. All
the issues which are driven by their different licensure be
addressed again. Mr. Charara asked if he would be able to meet
with Planning Department staff and discuss his conditions? Mr.
Curtis said yes.
Regarding condition #25, Mr. Charara objected to the wording" ...
a premise employee shall be in attendance and maintain continuous
supervision at all times [emphasis added] ...". He said the
restaurant has employees on the premises at all time and the people
on the patio are within view but not in view 100% of the time.
commissioner Sharp said the interpretation is that as long as there
is someone serving and supervising, even if they make a trip to the
kitchen, that is still maintaining vigil. The other restaurant
having this situation was Baja Bills, a fast food restaurant. Mr.
Curtis said staff would not require an employee to be standing over
the tables and watch at all times, but the City wants the condition
to be reasonably met, with some supervision at all times.
Regarding condition #29, Mr. Charara obj ected to ".. no banner
advertising on the outside of the building". Commissioner Sharp
said he could obtain a special permit for a banner.
Regarding condition #16, the word "no" must be inserted before
"dumping".
David Rosenman * r No address qivenl. Seal Beach
Mr. Rosenman spoke in opposition, stating the staff report supports
the Orange County newspaper article on over concentration of ABC
licenses. He indicated the Planning Commission does have the
option to deny a new CUP for this property. Mr. Curtis said this
is an option. Mr. Rosenman said Walt's Wharf modified their trash
and glass dumping practices since this issue has been brought up.
He asked the Commission to clearly state that, if approved, this is
clearly an interim and not necessarily renewable extension. He
said he felt this was not receiving a full hearing and was aware of
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people who would speak to this issue but are unable to attend due
to the holidays.
The Public Hearing was closed.
Mr. Colantuono suggested Condition #27 be changed to include "The
present enclosure, if adequately maintained, shall satisfy this
condition.
Mr. Colantuono noted, for the Record, that Mr. Charara has
presented a Power of Attorney in fact, executed by Ms. Tafani on
October 29, 1992 and properly notarized. Because Ms. Tafani is
present and has not disclaimed this Power of Attorney, he
interprets it to be effective. This is an original and Mr.
Colantuono returned it to Mr. Charara.
Mr. Colantuono corrected Mr. curtis' response to Mr. Rosenman's
comments. Mr. Colantuono's advice would be that when considering
a CUP solely because the property is changing hands, you ought not
to terminate or revoke the CUP in the absence of a basis to
determine that the use is being operated in a manner inconsistent
with the neighborhood, causing a public nuisance or some similar
standard. A transfer, in itself, is not generally a defensible
basis to revoke a CUP.
Vice Chairman Dahlman said Mr. Rosenman was most likely indicating
that an overconcentration of licenses exists. Mr. Colantuono said
that analysis is only applicable to newly issued licenses. If Ms.
Tafani is getting a new ABC license, rather than a transfer of this
license, then it is possible to object to the issuance of the
license on the basis of over concentration. And the City could
deny a CUP to Ms. Tafani for a new use. In terms of transferring
the existing CUP, there may not be a basis to refuse to transfer
the existing CUP. The CUP is a property right and when somebody
proposes to sell their property we can't prevent them from doing
that absent a police power basis to do so. The City Attorney's
Office is continuing to study this matter and they expect to
provide some written advice to the Planning Commission on these
matters. The Planning Commission should not concern itself with
whether the ABC transfers the license but rather on whether the
Planning Commission wishes to transfer the CUP, the right to
operate this business under the City's zoning ordinance.
Commissioner Sharp, referencing Condition #16, said that if this
restaurant closes at 10:00 p.m. he should be able to dump his trash
after cleaning up. Therefore, he recommended the dumping time to
11:00 p.m. Vice Chairman Dahlman disagreed, saying dumping of
trash wakes up nearby residents. Vice Chairman Dahlman suggested
the restaurant dump their trash regularly up until 10:00 p.m. and
then place any remaining trash in a plastic can with lids, filling
them inside the restaurant, and then setting them outside the back
door for emptying after 7:00 a.m. Mr. curtis said it is a new
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standard condition and most likely has been placed on recent
approvals. Commissioner Law said the biggest complaint is the
noise from emptying bottles.
Vice Chairman Dahlman referenced Resolution No. 92-67, approved
earlier tonight with a 3 - 0 - 2 vote, indicated Condition #13 said
there will be no dumping of trash between the hours of 10:00 p.m.
and 7:00 a.m. Commissioner Sharp said he missed that point or
would have suggested a later dumping hour. Vice Chairman Dahlman
said he thought this condition was put in the standard conditions
in an effort to appease the residents who see growth of the
businesses in their back yards and they are experiencing harmful
environmental effects. The Planning commission is attempting to
mitigate that, without placing an undue burden on either the
resident or the business owner; it requires some sacrifice on both
parts. Commissioner Law said her sole objection to the hours is
the noise it creates for nearby neighbors.
Tom Charara * Main Street Deli
Mr. Charara said he objected to the condition on dumping of trash
because "I don't want to have Mr. Rosenman standing at my door at
10: 01 p.m. watching me with a trash can full of nothing but
perishables and making a note of it, and coming before the Council
saying he's in violation. I don't make noise. I haven't had a
single complaint from my neighbors. I value my neighbors. I don't
violate any laws ...". Mr. Charara said he doesn't have any back
door to set a trash can outside of, his dumpster is in the back and
is enclosed. The Health Department would cite him for this. The
health hazard from leaving trash inside a business is much more
dangerous than taking it out and dumping the trash. He said he
recycles the glass. Vice Chairman Dahlman said he could see the
problem and said "There must be some way we can solve this without
just simply ignoring the wishes of the residents and going 100% the
way the businessmen want to go. I think we need get together and
solve the problem". Mr. Charara said "I really think we're really
trying to bend forward and backward for the residents and you're
ignoring ... the Planning Commission and the Council is ignoring
the business needs in this town ... I'm speaking on behalf of all
the businesses in this town. I really think you ought to look at
what you're doing and what you're driving at because there are
businesses leaving this town simply because of the attitude of the
Planning Commission, the attitude of the residents toward the
businesses. Most of the residents, a lot of them, don't benefit
Main street and they have some sort of division against Main street
... I don't understand why. Without the businesses on Main Street
the City cannot exist". Vice Chairman Dahlman replied "One of the
reasons non-alcohol selling businesses are having a hard time may
be because there are too many alcohol-selling businesses". Mr.
Charara disagreed, saying "Main Street was dead at 7: 00 p.m.
tonight".
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. Commissioner Sharp withdrew his objection to Condition #16, noting
the hardship at 10:00 p.m. curfew on trash dumping would make, it
would put this application in a bind if they don't get a unanimous
vote tonight, and if the applicant comes before the Commission
again Condition #16 can be reconsidered.
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Dahlman to approve Conditional Use
Permit #92-21, through the adoption of Resolution No. 92-77, with
the thirty (30) conditions as outlined in the staff report, and
with the following changes to Conditions of Approval:
#16. Add the word "no" to read ..there shall be no dumping of
trash ......
#27. Add this phrase at the end: "The present enclosure, if
adequately maintained, shall satisfy this condition".
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
ABSENT:
3 - 0 - 2
Sharp, Dahlman, Law
Fife, Orsini
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14. Variance #92-2
Conditional Use Permit #92-12
Negative Declaration #92-5
Location: Orange County Assessor's Parcel #178-502-46
[Lot adjacent to water Tower/Anderson street]
Staff Report
Mr. Curtis delivered the staff report. [Staff report on file in
the Planning Department]. The applicant, Jeff Overeem, is
proposing to construct a quick lube/car wash on a currently vacant
lot located at the base of the Water Tower residence which is
located at 1 Anderson Street. The applicant is proposing to
provide less than the required drive aisle for the proposed one-way
drive aisle and less than the required parking for a proposed
second story office.
Commission Comments
Commissioner Sharp asked if there are any other properties "like"
this property? Mr. curtis replied yes. Any property that is zoned
commercially that can have office space built on it and is required
to provide "X" amount of parking spaces for the amount of office
space that they provide. This building could provide a smaller
office and could provide the required parking.
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Commissioner Sharp asked if the applicant was aware of all these
problems before the report was presented to the Commission? Mr.
Curtis said to some extent Mr. Overeem was aware. He did receive
the proposed Negative Declaration. He received this staff report
which was sent out at the end of last week. Mainly, they spent
most of their time discussing the proposed residential unit and
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means of having it comply with what neighbors feel would be
appropriate for the neighborhood. To a large extent these issues
were not discussed with the applicant.
Vice Chairman Dahlman said approval of this application requires a
unanimous vote of the three Commissioners present. Given what Mr.
curtis has stated, regarding the necessity for re-Notice and re-
Hearing and the fact that two Commissioners are absent, if the
Commission is going to consider an issue there should be a full
panel of Commissioners. commissioner Sharp agreed.
Mr. Colantuono recommended the Commission open the Public Hearing
solely for the purpose of continuing it to the January 6, 1993.
Public Hearinq
Vice Chairman Dahlman opened the Public Hearing and asked the
audience if there was anyone present who cannot attend in the
future and would like to speak tonight? The following persons
spoke:
George Armstronq * rNo address qivenl Huntinqton Beach. CA
Mr. Armstrong said he will be out of the country until late
January. He owns the property adjacent to Mr. Overeem's property.
He agreed to give Mr. Overeem an ingress / egress easement. He
adamantly opposed residential homes or condominiums adjacent to the
two businesses and/or a zoning change. He suggested the Public
Hearing be continued to allow Mr. Overeem to discuss several
concerns with the staff.
Commissioner Sharp said staff had questions about the right-of-way
Mr. Armstrong was giving in order for Mr. Overeem to build. If
this is true, staff should ask their questions now and Mr.
Armstrong should give his answers now. Mr. Curtis said staff has
concerns about the boat sales operation opening on the property is
required to provide five on-site parking spaces. Three or four are
provided. Staff's concern is that if the ingress/egress easement
is deeded that would take up the remainder of the property where
the business is carried out at this time. Mr. Armstrong replied
the boat operation is on a month-to-month lease and they are fully
aware Mr. Overeem's development may result in an easement which may
effect their business. If that happens they will have to meet
those requirements or the business will have to be changed.
commissioner Sharp asked Mr. Armstrong if the ingress/egress would
be the area the boat business uses for their parking? Mr. Curtis
said it would be the area they currently use for their display
area. To provide the five required parking spaces and to provide
the ingress/egress it would take about 50% or more of their
existing display area.
Commissioner Sharp asked if the ingress/egress area would interfere
with the boat business then they will have to move? Mr. Anderson
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said yes and the boat place is aware this might occur. Mr.
Armstrong said he wasn't going against the neighborhood but was
trying to do something to preserve the uniqueness of the Water
Tower.
Commissioner Sharp expressed concerns on limiting the public
testimony tonight. Mr. Colantuono said the Commission has the
discretion to either continue tonight's Public Hearing as long as
it takes all testimony or to cut off the public testimony right
now. The people in the audience and the applicant are entitled to
a reasonable opportunity to be heard. It is not unreasonable to
provide that opportunity on January 6, 1993. The Commission
determined to receive all testimony.
Jeff Overeem * rNo address qivenl * Santa Barbara. CA
Mr. Overeem introduced himself as the applicant. He stated he
received his staff report by express mail on December 8, 1992. He
stated he had no idea that staff was going to recommend against
approval. He said "I understood that I was going after a Variance
and a CUP through the application but I did not know they were
going to recommend denying it until yesterday".
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Siqnaqe. [Page 3] Mr. Overeem said the staff report was unfairly
worded. Regarding signage, the staff report says signage would not
be allowed along Pacific Coast Highway with an approved Variance.
Mr. Overeem said Mr. Curtis had told him that signage could also be
added to where the sign is allowed in the easement.
Residential on Three sides. [Page 3]. Mr. Overeem said the staff
report says the property is in close proximity to residential uses
on three (3) sides but it's really residential on two (2) sides,
Noel's restaurant is a commercial use. Mr. Curtis said the staff
report is referring to the residential unit above Noel's restaurant
and you could argue whether it's a mixed use or not.
Impact on Surroundinq Land Uses. [Page 4]. The staff report says
the proposed quick lube/car wash will be 27' in height while the
Water Tower is 82' in height. Mr. Overeem said the Water Tower
does not look straight down at a quick lube, he looks out at the
vista, the ocean, therefore he is not being affected as greatly as
the staff report relates.
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Stacking. [Page 5]. The staff report states staff is concerned
with the ability to stack vehicles on the property and the adjacent
property. Mr. Overeem says that driving down Pacif ic Coast Highway
(PCH) and pass Noel's restaurant, the road widens and there's room
for a turning lane if not, there's already a turning lane there.
There's a white line drawn at that point. The car wash down the
street measures 27' from PCH to the first bay. Mr. Overeem would
have 36' from PCH to the first bay. He has 51' of stacking room
versus 27' of stacking room. The Commission noted the other car
wash is located in Sunset Beach and would be considered under
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another jurisdiction's zoning provisions. In that 51' he can stack
four cars in a row. The theory of a quick lube is you can get your
car's oil changed in ten minutes and therefore he didn't think
people would stack up to wait fifty minutes for an oil change.
They would drive away and return later.
Boat/Parkinq Mr. Overeem stated again that the boat business has
a month-to-month tenancy.
Traffic. [Page 5]. Mr. Overeem said he discussed with Mr.
Armstrong that drivers will make a left-hand turn at Anderson Road
and then a right-hand turn into the quick lube. There will be no
left-hand turns across PCH. Commissioner Sharp said CALTRANS would
decide whether there's a left-turn lane. Mr. Curtis said the City
could put a request to CALTRANS and they would have to meet; it's
ultimately CALTRAN's decision. Mr. Curtis said one of Mr.
Armstrong's recommendations would be to reverse the flow of traffic
through the property, having it enter from Anderson Street and
exiting onto PCH.
Commissioner Sharp and Vice Chairman Dahlman advised Mr. Overeem
that the Commission had hoped to elicit testimony tonight from
persons who could not be present at the January 6th Commission
meeting when this item would be on the agenda again. And, many of
the items Mr. Overeem was objecting to tonight would probably be
corrected with staff in the meantime. Mr. Overeem said he wished
to continue testifying. Mr. Overeem said he turned in his initial
application about three and a half months ago and there have been
continuances and the environmental work that had to be reviewed.
He said "But at the same time, I would like to get ... the thing
down to where we can at least get it figured out whether it's going
to be approved". Commissioner Sharp said he thought Mr. Overeem
should have received his staff report sooner than one day prior to
the meeting. Mr. Overeem said if he had received this he would
have called Mr. Curtis and discussed the fact he thought this was
completely out of line. Commissioner Sharp advised Mr. Overeem
that the Commission could not discuss their feelings tonight
because that would be pre-judging before all the public testimony
is received. He said that if Mr. Overeem continues to testify
tonight and then repeat the same testimony on January 6th that
would be a waste of time. Mr. Overeem said he had driven from
Sacramento to attend this meeting and he received the staff report
at noon. Mr. Curtis explained the staff reports were finished on
Friday, December 4th. They are normally mailed on Friday for
receipt on Monday. The Commission's packets are hand-delivered on
Fridays. Mr. Overeem's packet was not mailed on Friday but was
sent express mail on Monday. Mr. Curtis attempted to reach Mr.
Overeem by telephone on Monday so he could FAX the report to him.
Mr. Curtis said he was not in the office all last week because he
was ill and that's why the staff report was not completed until
Friday. For the January 6th Commission meeting staff will meet
with the applicant, discuss the issues, and attempt to resolve most
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matters and the applicant will know where staff stands on these
issues. Secondly, staff will attempt to get the report to the
applicant sooner. However, it is normal for the applicant not to
get his packet pertaining to the meeting until the Monday prior to
the meeting because they are mailed.
RECESS Vice Chairman Dahlman had an emergency telephone call and
the meeting was recessed from 10:30 p.m. to 10:35 p.m.
Mr. Curtis said the staff report indicated the items under
consideration (noise, traffic etc.) do fall under allowable
standards. It was indicated in the Negative Declaration and the
staff report that these areas of impact are substantially greater
than a residential use would have. In that sense the Negative
Declaration and the staff report are similar. Mr. Overeem asked
Mr. Curtis why he kept referencing the residential aspects of the
property when it's zoning is commercial? Mr. curtis said "Because
we, as staff, feel that would be the most appropriate use of the
property given the surrounding land uses". Vice Chairman Dahlman
said that that was staff's opinion and it depends on the
Commission's opinion and two Commissioners are absent tonight,
therefore this should be saved for January 6th.
Mr. Overeem continued to testify.
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Traffic. [Page 5]. Mr. Overeem said 144 cars per day (288 vehicle
trips per day) is excessive. Mr. Armstrong's detail business was
doing 20 cars per day. An good quick lube services 40 cars per
day. Sixty cars per day divided becomes five cars per hour.
Surfs ide Obstruction The second story office is 44' wide. The
houses at the far end of Surfside are single story and they won't
have a view anyhow.
Parkinq. [Page 6] Regarding the parking requirements for the
upstairs office, Mr. Overeem said he spoke with Salvatore Camelia,
the owner of Noel's restaurant. Mr. Camelia is willing to work out
a shared parking arrangement, where Mr. Overeem grants him parking
at night and Mr. Camelia grants parking during the day. If an
agreement can't be reached for that large of an office, the office
can be reduced in size or it could be turned into a watchman's
residence. Vice Chairman Dahlman informed Mr. Overeem the City
currently does not authorize shared parking. Mr. Curtis said it
could be considered through a Variance, however, the Code doesn't
allowed for a mixed use, such as a residence above.
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Recommendations. [Page 6]. The staff report says" after
considering all relevant testimony, both written and oral, ...".
Mr. Overeem said only one person showed up at that last Commission
meeting to speak in opposition and one letter in opposition. He
said there is not a lot of opposition to this proposed project.
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Mr. Curtis explained the term "vehicle trips". He explained the
figures staff used are based on survey figures from similar type
uses. The figures could vary from site to site. Regarding staff's
recommendation for a residential project when the site is zoned
commercial, this is strictly a staff recommendation. When
approving a CUP, as required for the car wash, the Commission needs
to make findings that it is appropriate and will not be detrimental
to adjacent land uses. staff feels the proposed commercial project
would be significantly more detrimental that residential.
Regarding blocking views from Surfside, staff did not feel it was
significant. Vice Chairman Dahlman suggested staff compare this
proposal with alternative commercial uses rather than with
residential uses since the property is zoned commercial.
Bob O'Dell * Owner. Water Tower
Dr. O'Dell said he would reserve his comments for the January 6th
meeting. He is changing jobs and doesn't know his new schedule.
He disputed Mr. Overeem's comment on shared parking, saying he also
talked to Noel's management and he doesn't want shared parking.
Dr. O'Dell said the overall citizen acceptance of this project is
dismal. If the staff wishes, he could have fifty people testify in
objection.
Charles Antos * 328 17th street. Seal Beach
Mr. Antos said he would be present on January 6th. He said the
Planning Commission Chairman might want to refer the following
comments to the City Attorney to have a report to the Commission by
January 6th. What is the City's liability (regarding the proposed
parking access from off PCH, through an adjacent property, and with
the potential for stacking along PCH) and a bicyclist hits one of
those cars or there are rear-end collisions? He said he believes
the City will be contributorily negligent if it approves this
parking arrangement in any sort of accident. Also, staff may wish
to check on the Public Call for Projects, an Orange County project
administered by Mr. Antos. This Call for proj ects relates to
projects dealing with transportation related improvements. This
project received sixty-six comments out of 279 responses dealing
with drainage, parking, traffic flow, amount of traffic on PCH,
traffic congestion, parking of motor homes, trucks, vehicles. The
sixty-six comments were from Sunset Beach, Surfside and Huntington
Beach in the general area of PCH and Anderson Street. He suggested
the Planning Commission look at what's going on in that area as a
whole to see what is being done to try to solve traffic problems
rather than putting in something that would contribute to them.
Mr. Curtis is to obtain that information from Mr. Antos.
Bill Padilla * rNo address qivenl Surfside
Mr. Padilla said the project plans show four parking spaces against
the fence adjacent to Surfside. He estimated this business would
have four or five employees and would need more employee parking.
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Sol John * 320 12th Street. Seal Beach
Mr. John spoke about the road repairs needed between Long Beach and
Huntington Beach.
The Public Hearing was closed.
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Law to continue the Public Hearing on
Variance #92-2, Conditional Use Permit #92-12 and Negative
Declaration #92-5 to the January 6, 1993 Planning Commission
meeting.
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
ABSENT:
3 - 0 - 2
Sharp, Law, Dahlman
Fife, Orsini
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**. Minor Plan Review #92-43
256/256~ 17th Street
Resolution No. 92-76
vice Chairman Dahlman indicated he was handed a copy of a draft
resolution but there were no conditions. Mr. Curtis read five (5)
conditions which were lifted from the staff report plus the
addition of a sixth condition added by the Commission tonight.
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Law to approve Minor Plan Review #92-43,
by the adoption of Resolution No. 92-76, subject to conditions.
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
ABSENT:
3 - 0 - 2
Sharp, Law, Dahlman
Fife, Orsini
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
Mitzie Morton * 153 13th Street. Seal Beach
Ms. Morton said she was upset by Mr. Charara's comments, giving the
staff a bad time and thinking businesses should be restricted by
the City. The pretense that businesses are leaving town because of
City staff, Planning Commissioners and residents giving them a hard
time are erroneous remarks. This is not true. There have always
been certain businesses on Main Street that have never been able to
make it because they don't have the merchandise the people require.
This has been going on for 21 years she has lived here. She
supports the standard conditions for ABC licenses and would not
like to see the Commission giving in on them. She said Mr. Charara
is trying to confuse the Planning commission by making issues out
of non-issues and is trying to cause controversy.
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STAFF CONCERNS
Mr. Curtis spoke on the proposed standard conditions re CUP's for
ABC licenses. The Commission recommended those be forwarded to the
City Council this evening. staff requested clarification on Mr.
Charara's questioning about the trash dumping. Are the problems
due to the trash or the bottles? Vice Chairman Dahlman said a good
rule is a simple rule because it's enforceable. Taking trash out
is simple and clear to understand. Commissioner Sharp said bottles
aren't the issue, it's probably the lids on the trash dumpsters.
He had a problem with restricting the dumping time too early and
favored 11:00 p.m. Mr. curtis said, based on those comments, staff
will forward the standard conditions as presented.
Mr. curtis spoke about CUP #92-1. the conditions of approval for
Tootsie's restaurant at 909 Ocean Avenue. The site has been
reinspected and the applicants are abiding by all conditions of
approval.
Mr. Curtis wished the Planning Commission a happy holiday season.
COMMISSION CONCERNS
The Commission wished everyone a happy holiday season.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 11:05 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted,
~C~1 I r'o .o...r-.....-.
Joan Fillmann
Recording Secretary
Approva 1 :
The Planning Commission Minutes of December 9, 1992
were approved on January 6, 1993. ~