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CITY OF SEAL BEACH
PLANNING COMMISSION
AGENDA for November 3, 2004
7:30 p.m.
District 1 - Ellery Deaton
District 2 - Jim Sharp
District 3 - Gordon Shanks
District 4 - Gary Roberts
District 5 - Phil Ladner
. Department of Development Services
Lee Whittenberg, Director
Alexander Abbe, Assistant City Attorney
Christy Teague, AICP, Senior Planner
Carmen Alvarez, Executive Secretary
o City Hall office hours are 7:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Monday through Thursday and
Friday 8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Closed noon to 1 :00 p.m.
o The City of Seal Beach complies with the Americans with Disabilities Act. If you
need assistance to attend this meeting please telephone the City Clerk's Office at
least 48 hours in advance of the meeting (562) 431-2527.
Q Planning Commission meetings are broadcast live on Seal Beach TV3. They are
rebroadcast on Sunday evenings, Channel 3 at 4:00 p.m.
o Videotapes of Planning Commission meetings may be purchased from Seal Beach
TV3 at a cost of $20 per tape. Telephone: (562) 596-1404.
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o Copies of staff reports and/or written materials on each agenda item are on file in
the Department of Development Services and City libraries for public inspection.
The City of Seal Beach complies With the Amencans With Disabilities Act of 1990 If you need assistance to attend thiS meeting,
please telephone the City Clerk's Office at (562) 431.2527 at least 48-hours In advance of the meeting Thank You
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City of Seal Beach Plannmg Commission · Agenda of November 3, 2004
PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA INFORMATION SHEET
The following is a brief explanation of the Planning Commission agenda
structure:
AGENDA APPROVAL: The Planning Commission may wish to change the order of the
items on the agenda.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS: Anyone wishing to address the Planning Commission, only
on items not on tonight's agenda, may do so during this time period. No action can be
taken by the Planning Commission on these communications on this date, unless
agendized.
PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS: Public Hearings allow citizens the opportunity to speak in
favor of or against agendized items. More detailed information is found in the actual
agenda attached. If you have documents to distribute, you should have enough copies
for all Planning Commissioners, City staff and the public. Please give one to the
secretary for the City files. The documents become part of the public record and will not
be returned.
CONSENT CALENDAR: Consent Calendar items are considered routine items that
normally do not require separate consideration. The Planning Commission may make
one motion for approval of all the items listed on the Consent Calendar.
SCHEDULED MA TIERS: These items are considered by the Planning Commission
separately and require separate motions. These transactions are considered
administrative and public testimony is not heard.
STAFF CONCERNS: Updates and reports from the Director of Development Services
(Planning and Building Departments) are presented for information to the Planning
Commission and the public.
COMMISSION CONCERNS: Items of concern are presented by the Planning
Commissioners and discussed with staff.
All Droceedinas are recorded.
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City of Seal Beach Planning Commission
Agenda for November 3, 2004
7:30 p.m.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
II ROLL CALL
III AGENDA APPROVAL
By Motion of the Planning Commission, this is the time to:
(a) Notify the public of any changes to the Agenda;
(b) Re-arrange the order of the Agenda; and/or
(c) Provide an opportunity for any member of the Planning Commission, staff, or
public to request an item be removed from the Consent Calendar for separate
action.
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ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
At this time, members of the public may address the Planning Commission
regarding any items within the subject matter jurisdiction of the Planning
Commission, provided that the Planning Commission may undertake no action or
discussion unless otherwise authorized by law.
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CONSENT CALENDAR
Items on the Consent Calendar are considered to be routine and are enacted by
one motion unless prior to enactment, a member of the Planning Commission,
staff, or the public requests a specific item be removed from the Consent
Calendar for separate action.
1. Approve Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of October 6, 2004.
2. Minor Plan Review 04-11
173 Stanford Lane
Applicant/Owner:
Request:
Robert and Kelly Wigod
Architectural review of a proposal to construct an
approximately 6-7-foot tall waterslide structure within
the required rear and side yard setback areas.
Recommendation: Approval subject to conditions and adoption of
Resolution 04-53.
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The City of Seal Beach complies WIth the Amencans With Dlsablllbes Act of 1990 If you need assistance to attend thiS meebng,
please telephone the City Clerk's Office at (562) 431-2527 at least 48-hours In advance of the meebng Thank You
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3. Minor Plan Review 04-12
26 Welcome Lane
Applicant/Owner:
Request:
Billy D. Hartwig I L1NC Housing
To replace a single-story mobile home with a two-
story mobile home within the Seal Beach Trailer Park
located off of First Street.
Recommendation:
Approval subject to conditions and adoption of
Resolution 04-54.
VI SCHEDULED MATTERS
4. Adoption of Resolutions of Denial Re:
Resolution 04-47, Height Variation 04-6, 148 -12th Street
Resolution 04-48, Height Variation 04-7, 150 - 12th Street
Resolution 04-49, Height Variation 04-8, 152 - 12th Street
5. Confirmation of Determination of Director of Development Services -
Revision to Approved Conditional Use Permit 04-5 (Planned Sign Program
for Ayres Hotel and Sunrise Assisted Living).
VII PUBLIC HEARINGS
6. Conditional Use Permit 03-3 (Indefinite Extension)
133 - 133- ~ Main Street (Angelo's Italian Deli)
Applicant/Owner:
Request:
Melinda Marciuliano I Leland M. Garrison
Approval of indefinite extension of a previously
approved Conditional Use Permit to continue to
operate an existing walk-up/take-out restaurant with a
maximum of ten (10) seats and to begin the sale of
wine and beer for off-site consumption.
Recommendation:
Approval subject to conditions and adoption of
Resolution 04-52 and 04-59, respectively.
7. Conditional Use Permit 03-5 (Indefinite Extension)
12489 Seal Beach Blvd. (Marie Callender's)
Applicant/Owner:
Request:
Bob Barger I Century National Properties, Inc.
To approve an indefinite extension of a previously
approved Conditional Use Permit for existing
restaurant, including outdoor patio dining area and
general on-sale alcohol license.
Recommendation: Approval subject to conditions and adoption of
Resolution 04-55.
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City of Seal Beach Planmng CommIssIon · Agenda of November 3, 2004
VIII STUDY SESSION
8. Sign Requirements For Main Street Specific Plan Area
IX STAFF CONCERNS
X COMMISSION CONCERNS
XI ADJOURNMENT
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2004 Aaenda Forecast
CUP 01-14 (Indefinite Extension) Daphne's Greek Cafe
CUP 03-7 (Indefinite Extension) Fit-4-You
Recommendation of Revocation - CUP 00-11 Old Town Cafe
Recommendation of Revocation - CUP 02-5 Togo's
Recommendation of Revocation - CUP 02-6 Quiznos
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CITY OF SEAL BEACH
PLANNING COMMISSION
Minutes of November 3, 2004
Vice-Chairperson Shanks called the regularly scheduled meeting of the Planning
Commission to order at 7:30 p.m on Wednesday, November 3, 2004. The meeting was
held in the City Council Chambers and began with the Salute to the Flag.1
ROLL CALL
Present Vice-Chairperson Shanks, Commissioners Deaton, Roberts, and Sharp.
Also
Present Department of Develooment Services
Lee Whittenberg, Director of Development Services
Christy Teague, AICP, Senior Planner
Alexander Abbe, Assistant City Attorney
Absent: Chairperson Ladner
Mr. Whittenberg reported that Chairperson Ladner had undergone surgery last week
and IS dOing well, but it would be appropriate to excuse his absence from tonight's
meeting.
MOTION by Deaton; SECOND by Sharp to excuse Chairperson Ladner from tOnight's
meeting.
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
4-0-1
Shanks, Deaton, Roberts, and Sharp
None
Ladner
AGENDA APPROVAL
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Roberts to approve the Agenda as presented.
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
4-0-1
Shanks, Deaton, Roberts, and Sharp
None
Ladner
1 These Minutes were transcribed from audiotape of the meeting
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ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
Vice-Chairperson Shanks opened oral communications.
There being no one wishing to speak, Vice-Chairperson Shanks closed oral
communications.
CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Approve Planning Commission Meeting Minutes of October 6, 2004
2. Minor Plan Review 04-11
173 Stanford Lane
Applicant/Owner:
Request:
Robert and Kelly Wigod
Architectural review of a proposal to construct an
approximately 6-7-foot tall waterslide structure within the
required rear and side yard setback areas.
Recommendation: Approval subject to conditions and adoption of Resolution
04-53.
3. Minor Plan Review 04-12
26 Welcome Lane
Applicant/Owner
Request:
Billy D. Hartwig I L1NC Housing
To replace a single-story mobile home with a two-story
mobile home within the Seal Beach Trailer Park located off
of First Street.
Recommendation:
Approval subject to conditions and adoption of Resolution
04-54.
For the record Commissioner Deaton confirmed that the single-story mobile home is to
be replaced With a 2-story mobile home that is no higher than 25 feet, including the roof.
Mr. Whittenberg confirmed that thiS was correct.
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Roberts to approve the Consent Calendar as
presented.
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
4-0-1
Shanks, Deaton, Roberts, and Sharp
None
Ladner
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Mr. Abbe advised that the adoption of Resolution Nos 04-53 and 04-54 begins a 10-day
calendar appeal period to the City CouncIl. The Commissioner action tonight is final
and the appeal penod begins tomorrow morning.
Mr. Whittenberg noted for the record that these two items are Minor Plan ReView 04-11
for 173 Stanford Land and Minor Plan Review 04-12 for 26 Welcome Lane in the Seal
Beach Trailer Park.
SCHEDULED MATTERS
4. Adoption of Resolutions of Denial Re
Resolution 04-47, Height Variation 04-6, 148 -1ih Street
Resolution 04-48, Height Vanation 04-7, 150 _12th Street
Resolution 04-49, Height Variation 04-8, 152 - 12th Street
Staff Report
Mr. Whittenberg delivered the staff report. (Staff Report is on file for inspection in the
Planning Department.) He provided some background information on thiS Item and
noted that at the October 6, 2004 meeting the determination of the Planning
Commission (PC) was to deny all three of these applications He stated that the
appropriate resolutions are now prepared for adoption by the PC. He indicated that a
separate motion must be made for each of the respective resolutions. He noted that
because the public heanng on these items had already taken place, there would be no
public testimony taken tonrght.
MOTION by Deaton; SECOND by Roberts to adopt Resolution 04-47 denYing Height
Variation 04-6 as presented
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAIN:
3-0-1-1
Shanks, Deaton, and Roberts
None
Ladner
Sharp
MOTION by Deaton; SECOND by Roberts to adopt Resolution 04-48 denying Height
Variation 04-7 as presented.
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAIN:
3-0-1-1
Shanks, Deaton, and Roberts
None
Ladner
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MOTION by Deaton, SECOND by Roberts to adopt Resolution 04-49 denying Height
Vanatlon 04-8 as presented.
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
ABSTAIN:
3-0-1-1
Shanks, Deaton, and Roberts
None
Ladner
Sharp
Mr. Abbe advised that the adoption of Resolution Nos. 04-47, 04-48 and 04-49 begins a
10-day calendar appeal period to the City Council. The Commissioner action tonight is
final and the appeal period begins tomorrow morning.
5. Confirmation of Determination of Director of Development Services - RevIsion to
Approved Conditional Use Permit 04-5 (Planned Sign Program for Ayres Hotel and
Sunnse Assisted LIving).
Staff Reoort
Mr. Whittenberg delivered the staff report. (Staff Report is on file for inspection In the
Planning Department.) He provided some background Information on this item and
stated that the onglnal approval of this Planned Sign Program (PSP) was to have both
business identification signs, one below the other, on one side of the freeway sound
wall facing east. He noted that after looking more carefully at the location of the
signage, it was determined that the approved configuration would not provide sufficient
visibility for both signs. As such, the applicants are now requesting that the Ayres Hotel
sign be moved to the south facing side of the wall, adjacent to the freeway. Mr.
Whittenberg stated that in looking at the conditions Staff did not feel that this would be a
material change requlnng submittal of a new Conditional Use Permit application. He
indicated that Staff wanted the PC to be aware of this request and to confirm the
determination of the Director of Development Services that this is an acceptable
revision.
Commissioner Questions
Commissioner Roberts asked if an additional fee was paid by the applicant for the
resubmlttal of this application Mr. Whittenberg said there were no additional fees as
this was not really a new application. Commissioner Roberts asked if Staff work was
minimal. Mr. Whittenberg confirmed that Staff time involved was very minimal.
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Roberts to confirm the determination of the Director of
Development Services Re: ReviSion to Approved Conditional Use Permit 04-5 (Planned
Sign Program for Ayres Hotel and Sunrise Assisted Living).
MOTION CARRIED: 4 - 0 - 1
AYES: Shanks, Deaton, Roberts, and Sharp
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ABSENT:
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Mr. Whittenberg noted that a determination of the DIrector of Development Services IS
not subject to an appeal.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
6. Conditional Use Permit 03-3 (Indefinite Extension)
133 - 133-% Main Street (Angelo's Italian Deli)
Applicant/Owner:
Request:
Melinda Marciullano I Leland M. Garrison
Approval of indefinite extension of a previously approved
Conditional Use Permit to continue to operate an existing
walk-up/take-out restaurant with a maximum of ten (10)
seats and to begin the sale of wine and beer for off-site
consumption.
Recommendation:
Approval subject to conditions and adoption of Resolution
04-52 and 04-59, respectively.
Staff Report
Mr. Whittenberg noted for the record that notice was published in the Sun newspaper
and mailed notices were also provided as required. He then introduced the new Senior
Planner, Christy Teague who would deliver the staff report. (Staff Report is on file for
inspection In the Planning Department) Ms Teague provided some background
Information on this item and noted that this Indefinite Extension is for a continuation of
the approval of ConditIonal Use PermIt (CUP) 03-3, and the new request is for an off-
sale beer and wine Type 20 license for off premise consumption in original, sealed
containers of beer and wine. She said that the sale of beer and wIne is Incidental to the
main deli use and is proposed for sale as part of a specialty grocery section of the dell
Ms. Teague then noted that a special Resolution 04-59 has been prepared to approve
the request for the sale of beer and wine and includes two new conditions and
recommendation of a six-month review after receipt of the California Alcohol &
Beverage Control (ABC) program approval She added that a memorandum prepared
by Staff IS Included WIth the Staff Report in response to requests by the Public Works
Department to add two new conditions as follows:
1. The applicant will have the sidewalk fronting the establishment steam cleaned at
least once quarterly.
2. Applicant Will either pay for a city-approved trash receptacle, or provide one near
the entrance to the establishment to offset any trash that may occur due to the
actIvity at the establishment.
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CommiSSioner Questions
Commissioner Deaton asked If the applicant would be required to pay a monthly trash
pickup fee. Ms Teague stated that if the applicant chooses to pay for a City trash
container, the CIty will collect the trash, but If Angelo's prefers to provide its own trash
container, they will be required to empty the container every day and take It In at the
end of business. Commissioner Deaton asked if this would just go along with the
standard fee for clean up and would Involve no additional fees. Ms. Teague confirmed
that this was correct. Commissioner Deaton then noted that with regard to the sale of
the beer and wine, Angelo's must post signs both Inside and outside the establishment
stating that containers are not to be opened on the premises. She asked where the
signs would be posted. Ms Teague stated that the Conditions of Approval require that
signs be posted inside the deli and outside in the parking lot behind the store.
Commissioner Deaton asked how this was handled with liquor stores and with the
former John's Food King. Mr. Whittenberg responded that both of these were pre-
existing legal uses and never really had this condition Imposed upon them. He said that
the PC could require that Angelo's have a small sign on the front entry to the deli.
Commissioner Deaton confirmed that thiS approval would have a 6-month review
period. Mr. Whittenberg confirmed that this was correct.
Vice-Chairperson Shanks asked If this application would come before the PC again
after the 6-month review period. Mr. Whittenberg confirmed that this item would come
before the PC at the 6-month review. Vice-Chairperson Shanks noted that the City has
gone over the allowed number of establishments providing on-site alcohol sales on
Main Street, but he asked whether the number of licenses for off-site sales of beer and
wine on Main Street had been exceeded. Ms. Teague stated that the representative of
California Alcohol & Beverage Control (ABC) had reported that generally in the area 3
would be too many, and that thiS particular census tract also includes Pacific Coast
Highway (PCH), but so far there is not an over concentration of this type of license.
Commissioner Deaton inquired about the liquor store across the street. Ms. Teague
explained that this was a different type of license because a liquor store sells more than
just beer and wine. Mr. Whittenberg interjected that the type of license determines the
concentration criteria.
Public Hearing
Vice-Chairperson Shanks opened the public heanng.
Mr. Pat Brown, representative for the applicant, stated that he was present to respond
to any questions from the PC, and that the applicant has read the conditions of approval
and has no objections to any of the conditions. With regard to the two new conditions of
approval, he asked If the steam cleaning is required of all businesses along Main Street.
Mr. Whittenberg stated that the City has begun making this a requirement for new
bUSinesses requiring approval of a CUP. He said that as a separate part of this the City
is currently investigating providing a City service that will steam clean all of the
sIdewalks along Main Street, WIth a charge back fee billed to each bUSiness
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participating in this program. Mr. Brown stated that with regard to the provIsion of a
trash container, he does not believe the applicant will have a problem with this
condition. He noted that the applicant might wish to provide a trash enclosure, as this
might be more cost effective. In response to Commissioner Deaton's question about
the alcohol sale, he stated that this IS an upscale Italian deli with a clientele that would
purchase an expensive bottle of wine or six-pack of Italian beer to enJoy at home, as
opposed to wanting to drink it on the street He thanked the Commission and
congratulated Ms. Teague on her new position with the City of Seal Beach
There being no one else wishing to speak, Vice-Chairperson Shanks closed the public
hearing.
Commissioner Comments
None.
MOTION by Deaton; SECOND by Sharp to approve the Indefinite Extension of
Conditional Use Permit 03-3 and adopt Resolution 04-52 as amended.
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
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Shanks, Deaton, Roberts, and Sharp
None
Ladner
Mr. Abbe adVised that the adoption of Resolution No. 04-52 begins a 10-day calendar
appeal period to the City Council. The Commissioner action tonight is final and the
appeal period begins tomorrow morning.
MOTION by Deaton; SECOND by Sharp to approve Conditional Use Permit 03-3
allowing the off-premise sale of wine and beer subject to a 6-month review period In
conjunction with the operation of a walk-up/take-out deli and adopt Resolution 04-59 as
amended
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
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None
Ladner
Mr. Abbe advised that the adoption of Resolution No. 04-59 begins a 10-day calendar
appeal period to the City Council. The Commissioner action tonight is final and the
appeal period begins tomorrow morning.
7. Conditional Use Permit 03-5 (Indefinrte Extension)
12489 Seal Beach Blvd. (Marie Callender's)
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Applicant/Owner:
Request:
Bob Barger I Century National Properties, Inc
To approve an Indefimte extension of a previously approved
Conditional Use Permit for existing restaurant, Including
outdoor patIo dining area and general on-sale alcohol
license.
Recommendation'
Approval subject to conditions and adoption of Resolution
04-55.
Staff Reoort
Ms Teague delivered the staff report. (Staff Report IS on file for inspectIon in the
Planning Department.) Ms. Teague provided some background information on this item
and stated that this request for approval of an indeflmte extension includes an intenor
remodel, additions, and an outdoor patio, which were previously approved. She
explained that the Califorma Alcohol & Beverage Control (ABC) and the City of Seal
Beach requires approval any time there is a change In the floor plan of a bUSiness with
a current ABC license. She Indicated that Marie Callender's had upgraded their ABC
license to a No. 47 general liquor license, which was done prior to commencement of
the remodel. She said that Staff IS recommending approval of the indefimte extension
of CUP 03-5, subject to conditions.
Commissioner Questions
CommIssIoner Sharp said that he has no problem wIth what the PC has already
granted; however, he does have a problem with granting an indefinite extension at this
time. He noted that now that the restaurant is open and operating, he would like to
Impose at minimum another 6-month review penod, in order to have a better idea of
whether or not there are any problems with the alcohol service in the patio area and the
general operation of the business.
Vice-Chairperson Shanks asked what the proper action would be for Imposing the
6-month revIew period. Mr. Whittenberg stated that this public hearing has been
noticed so public testimony should be received before making a determination. He
indicated that Marie Callender's had been operating in the previous business structure
With a full liquor license before beginning the remodel He noted that due to the
estimates for the remodel being significantly higher than expected, the plans had to be
redesigned. He stated that Commissioner Sharp has a valid concern, as the City has
had no experience With the operation of the new outdoor dining area. He said that
under the terms of the approval the PC has the right to call the matter back before the
Commission at any time. He said that in this case Staff would not feel this is necessary
as It is not facing a residential area nor is it close to residences
Commissioner Roberts recommended imposing a 6-month review period.
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Public Heanna
Vice-Chairperson Shanks opened the public hearing.
There being no one wishing to speak, Vice-Chairperson Shanks closed the public
hearing.
Commissioner Comments
Commissioner Deaton stated that she was in agreement with Imposing a 6-month
review penod after the patio is completed and open for service.
Mr. Whittenberg stated that if this request were denied, the applicant would be required
to file a new fee. He recommended continuing this Item as a public heanng to be
noticed SIX months after the opening for service of the patio area.
Commissioner Sharp stated that the review period could be for 6 months or one year.
Vice-Chairperson Shanks said that It appears more logical to have the review penod 6
months after the patio IS In full operation.
Mr Whittenberg recommended continuing this item for 6 months to review the entire
application, which would include both the Intenor sale of liquor and at this point if the
patio is not in operation, then that part can be split out as having to come back for
review.
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Deaton to continue this item for six months
MOTION CARRIED:
AYES:
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None
Ladner
STUDY SESSION
Vice-Chairperson Shanks commented that the information on recommendations for
signs in West Hollywood that was provided with the Staff Report is exceedingly good.
He indicated that although they are interrelated, he believes that the study session
should separate city sign problems from lighting problems.
Commissioner Deaton countered that when signs are illuminated, this would entail
addressing lighting for signs She stated that general illumination could be addressed
separately, but illuminated signs should be looked at as a package
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Vice-Chairperson Shanks stated that It appears that the two major questions regarding
signs are related to:
1. Slgnage In the public right-of-way for buildings that are set back from the street
(Baytown Realty sign)
2. A-frame signs being placed along the sidewalk.
He noted that the only area where there appears to be a serious problem with
illuminated signs is at Main Street Square. He recommended first addressing the two
Issues noted above, and then addressing the problem of lighting
Commissioner Deaton noted that the Baytown Realty sign is a very brightly Illuminated
sign. She said that If the determination IS made that this sign must be moved back, then
a review of the intensity of the lighting would have to be conducted. She Indicated that
both the signs and their Illumination should be looked at together.
Mr. Whittenberg stated that the Staff Report attempts to summarize the main issues
related to signs as previously discussed by the Planning Commission (PC). He said
that at this point, Staff IS seeking direction as to the specific issues the PC Wishes to
pursue. He indicated that one of the Issues discussed In the Staff Report is the
minimum setback distance from the street for free-standing signs for buildings that are
set back from the street, and the Issue of the appropriate height and size of signs that
would stili allow them to be visible to drivers along the street. He noted that Staff does
have access to a number of sign studies completed throughout the nation that can be
presented to the PC for consideration He explained that the height and size of most
signs is determined by the speed limit on the street. The Director of Development
Services then noted that the PC had also discussed the Illumination of signs and how
bright is "too bright," which would also impact the size of the signs, since no illumination
would call for, larger lettering. He commented that in his opinion both signs and
illumination are closely tied together. Mr. Whittenberg then indicated that the main
issues upon which Staff could focus are sign lettering and Illumination, a Planned Sign
Program for properties With multiple tenants, regulation of interior Window signs, and
maintenance standards for signs. He suggested that Staff return with a draft of the
guidelines by late January or early February 2005.
Commissioner Deaton commented that Mr. Whittenberg had done an excellent Job in
preparing the Staff Report. She expressed her appreciation for the work put into this
document
Commissioner Roberts also commented on the high quality of the report. He said he
would like Staff to revIew the issue of signs for businesses that are set back from the
street. He indicated that for businesses With an outside approach from a Sidewalk along
the side of the building, a marquee-type sign might be appropriate, as opposed to a
freestanding sign, as this might be too cumbersome. He noted that a freestanding sign
would be appropriate for a business With a street setback like that of Baytown Realty.
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CommIssIoner Deaton asked for the name of the signs that the Director of Development
Services had mentioned at the last Study Session as not being frequently utilized by
busIness owners. Mr. WhIttenberg noted that these were called "projecting signs" that
project outward from the building over the sidewalk to identify the business. He stated
that the way the Ordinance is written this is only to identify those businesses that
actually front a street, and businesses that are down a pedestrian sIdewalk or courtyard
area would not be able to utilize this type of signage.
Commissioner Sharp stated that when composing a sign ordinance that covers so many
different types of business and locations, you would almost have to consider each one
on an IndiVidual basis. He noted that it would be very difficult to come up with a sign
ordinance that everyone will be happy with.
Vice-Chairperson Shanks said that he thinks what makes Main Street so interesting is
the fact that the signs are all unique He stated that it is a good idea to have a Planned
Sign Program for larger, multiple tenant properties. He said that in reading the
Information provided about lighting, he did not see any information on how to handle
illuminated signs Inside businesses. Mr. WhIttenberg said that Staff would conduct
more research on this issue. The PC then authorized Staff to proceed as outlined with
the items as discussed.
STAFF CONCERNS
Mr. Whittenberg welcomed the new Senior Planner, Christy Teague, to her first
Planning Commission meeting. He then reported that the next scheduled meeting
would be for November 17, 2004; however, due to the pending Thanksgiving Holiday,
Staff would recommend that meeting be canceled and the PC adjourn to the next
scheduled meeting of December 8, 2004.
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Roberts to cancel the Planning Commission meeting
of November 17, 2004, and adjourn to the next scheduled meeting of December 8,
2004.
MOTION CARRIED:
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ABSENT:
4-0-1
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None
Ladner
COMMISSION CONCERNS
Commissioner Roberts requested an update on Daphne's Greek Cafe. Mr. Whittenberg
stated that Staff expects to have this item submitted and on the agenda for the
December 8, 2004 meetIng.
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ADJOURNMENT
City of Seal Beach Planmng Commission
Meetmg Mmutes of November 3, 2004
Vice-Chairperson Shanks adjourned the meeting at 8:22 p.m.
Respectfully SubmItted,
Carmen Alvarez, Executive Secret
Planning Department
APPROVAL
The Commission on December 8, 2004, approved th~utes of the Planning
Commission Meeting of Wednesday, November 3, 2004. .
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