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CITY OF SEAL BEACH
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
MINUTES of OCTOBER 20, 1993
Chairman Dahlman called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. in City Council Chambers.
I. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The Pledge of Allegiance was said.
ll. ROLL CALL
Present:
Chairman Dahlman
Commissioners Soukup, Law, Sharp, Campbell
Also
Present:
Department of Development Services:
Lee Whittenberg, Director
Craig Steele, City Attorney's Office
Barry Curtis, Administrative Assistant
Joan Fillmann, Executive Secretary
ill. CONSENT CALENDAR
1.
Minutes of October 6, 1993 (7:32 p.m.)
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND Law by to approve the Minutes of October
6, 1993 with the following change:
Page 5, line 6: Change "20' below grade" to "less than 20' above grade".
MOTION CARRIED:
A YES:
ABSTAIN:
4-0-1
Sharp, Law, Dahlman, Campbell
Soukup
IV. SCHEDULED MATTERS
2. Resolutions to be signed:
. Resolution #93-46 for CUP #91-14
Spaghettini Rotisserie & Grill
. Resolution #93-47 for MPR #93-7
46 Riversea Road * Jack Battersby
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Mr. Whittenberg indicated the signed resolutions will reflect the actual votes from
the Minutes of the prior meeting(s). There was no discussion on either
resolution. There being no corrections to either resolution, the Chairman signed
the resolutions without objection.
V. PUBLIC HEARINGS
3.
Variance #93-4-
Address:
Applicants:
Property Owners:
Request:
(7:35 P.M.)
A-I04 Surfside
Mark and Joke Schubert
Mark and Joke Schubert
Variance to maintain an outside staircase and deck in
conjunction with a proposed remodel to add a bedroom,
family room, to enlarge a garage and to enlarge a
kitchen.
Staff Report
Mr. Curtis delivered the staff report. [Staff report on file in the Planning
Department].
Commission Comments on Staff Report
The Commission asked for clarification of municipal ~ Section 28-2501. Mr.
Steele explained a Variance will be granted only to an individual parcel, not to
neighborhoods or more than one parcel. Chairman Dahlman said the staff report
indicates the reason for this Variance applies to all residences, particularly on "A"
row. He asked if the municipal Code should be amended rather than pass
individual Variances on each parcel? Mr. Steele said not all the properties in that
area have this same problem and it may be more appropriate to consider
individual Variances. Commissioner Sharp noted that flood areas exist in Seal
Beach which are not only in Surfside.
Public Hearing
Joke Schubert * A-I04 Surfside
Mrs. Schubert said their home is approximately thirty years old and was
originally built with this outside staircase which is the only access to their home.
They are planning a two-stage addition, adding onto the garage, adding a family
room and a bedroom. Later, they plan to add a third story. The remodeling
doesn't affect the entrance into their house.
Commissioner Sharp asked Mrs. Schubert if there are plans for a roof deck?
Mrs. Schubert said the proposed third floor does not allow a roof deck because
it would put the house above the allowed 35' height. The only deck area would
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be at the second floor --- there is sufficient space for a small deck where they
plan to add their bedroom.
Commissioner Soukup asked how long they had lived in this home and if the
prior owners had experienced flooding? Mrs. Schubert said they have lived there
one year and in 1983 Surfside experienced a big flood. Their neighbor to the
North experienced major flooding. She thought her house could have experienced
flooding of l' - 2' by the look of the walls inside their garage.
No one wished to speak in favor of or in opposition to this application and with
no rebuttal the Public Hearing was closed.
Commission Comments
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Soukup to approve Variance #93-4 through
the adoption of Resolution No. 93-48 and subject to the three (3) Conditions
of Approval outlined in the staff report.
MOTION CARRIED:
A YES:
5-0-0
Sharp, Soukup, Law, Campbell, Dahlman
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4.
Variance #93-1
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212 Main Street
Masonic Lodge
Brian Kyle & Jim Klisanin
Brian Kyle & Jim Klisanin
A request to approve a Development Agreement between
the City of Seal Beach and the applicants, Brian Kyle
and Jim Klisanin, as a Condition of Approval of
Variance #93-1.
Address:
Business:
Applicants:
J>>roperty Owners:
Request:
Staff Report
Mr. Whittenberg presented the Development Agreement which was a Condition
of Approval for Variance #93-1. [Staff report on file in the Planning
Department]. Mr. Whittenberg indicated the Development Agreement was
prepared by City staff and was discussed with the applicants. However, the
applicants are not in agreement with the terms. The basic issue of contention is
the dollar amounts to be paid to the City as part of the parking mitigation fee.
The Commission has authority to make changes to the Development Agreement
based on testimony received at this Public Hearing. It is necessary for the City
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to hold a Public Hearing at the City Council level, and the Council will ultimately
approve or deny the Development Agreement. The Commission needs to make
a recommendation to the Council.
Commission Comments on Staff Report
Credits
Regarding the parking mitigation fees of $63,000 and subsequent credits,
Commissioner Soukup asked if BJ's Pizza's credits were due to their retrofit
because this was an obvious benefit to the City? He didn't see the Masonic
Lodge issues being equal to the BJ's Pizza issues. Mr. Whittenberg said the BJ's
Pizza application received three separate types of credits against the $3,500 per
parking space fee --- (1) a credit for the seismic retrofit of the building; (2) a
credit for the anticipated increase in sales tax revenue; (3) another credit for
anticipated increase in property taxes due to the change in ownership of that
building. For the Masonic Lodge, the City applied the same formula --- credits
for increased sales and property taxes. No credit was given for a seismic retrofit.
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Commissioner Soukup questioned the formula of giving credits for retail sales
taxes and then taking the credits back by requiring parking mitigation fees. He
felt the City should charge the full amount for parking spaces. Mr. Whittenberg
explained the City does not have an AB 1600 analysis, which would ascertain the
revenue amounts needed to provide what the City considers the necessary parking
to develop along the Main Street corridor. Until the BI's Pizza application was
considered, Main Street project approvals, based on inadequate parking, were
conditioned by the City. Requiring the developer to enter into an agreement with
the City to pay $100 per deficit parking space per year with an understanding that
this was an interim fee, until a formal program was developed and implemented
by the City. In the BJ's Pizza application, the City maintained an interim
agreement but the City used a base dollar amount which the City feels is more
representative of the actual costs of providing parking spaces --- $3,500 per
parking space. Mr. Whittenberg said that if a particular business were required
at this point to pay $3,500 a space when it's short eighteen spaces (the Masonic
Lodge) or twenty-one spaces (BI's Pizza) the parking fees would equate to almost
as much as the cost of the building itself. The City's position is to increase the
parking fee to a more reasonable amount, as an interim measure, have an
additional provision in the Development Agreement which still says that once the
City adopts a final program, the sites will be responsible to pay whatever the
difference is. If the amount equates to less than $3,500 per space, or less than
the amount per space than what they have paid under the Agreement, then those
funds will be refunded to the developer. The credits for the sales tax and
property tax are used to soften the blow on the immediate front end but still
requiring a developer to pay the full amount at the back end. The AB 1600
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analysis will be done as a part of the Main Street Specific Plan and will take six
to nine months to complete.
City Liability
Commissioner Campbell, referencing US.1 City Not Liable For Damages,
objected to the City's being liable for payment of attorney fees. She wants to see
the City not liable for anything. Mr. Steele said ~1S.1 cross references ~20
which provides for payment of attorney fees brought by a party to this Agreement
for breach of the Agreement. It would be difficult to contract away either party's
right to recover attorney fees against the other for a breach. He explained her
concerns were covered by the additional wording in ~ 15.1 II... in accordance with
Section 20 below... It.
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Adverse Impacts
Commissioner Campbell asked what is the potential for adverse impacts to the
City in this Agreement? Mr. Steele said the rationale of a Development
Agreement is to benefit both sides. The City benefits by locking in particular
plans for development and by extracting from the developer the promise to
indemnify the City in the case of damages that might occur as a result of the
project. The developer benefits by getting a promise that the City will not enact
any new, more burdensome, legal requirements before the developer has finished
his project. The major detriment of the Agreement is that if the City Council
were to enact a more burdensome land use requirement that's not in effect at the
time of Agreement approval, that requirement would not apply to this project.
Commissioner Campbell
Mr. Steele pointed out that because this is a new Public Hearing, Commissioner
Campbell's participation is appropriate and welcomed.
Public Hearing
Chairman Dahlman opened the Public Hearing.
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Brian Kyle * 7th Street. Seal Beach
Mr. Kyle said that although he met once with City Manager Jerry Bankston, he
had no opportunity to negotiate the terms of this Development Agreement. He
feels he should not have to pay $36,500 traffic and parking mitigation fees up
front and would like to pay $200 or $300 per deficient parking space until the
Main Street Specific Plan and AB 1600 assessment are completed and until the
other merchants are paying similar fees. Mr. Kyle said the California Coastal
Commission says anybody that's received project approval up to this date is not
in an in-lieu program period and further felt the Coastal Commission would not
approve further intensification of Main Street. Therefore, the City is wasting it's
money on the parking study. Mr. Kyle felt the grandfathered privilege for
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parking could be maintained although the use were changed. Mr. Kyle felt he
was de-intensifying the use for that site and that the AB 1600 analysis would not
apply to him.
Agreement Term
Commissioner Sharp asked for further clarification on the twenty year term of
this Agreement. Mr. Whittenberg explained this is a twenty year time period for
the applicants to take advantage of the Agreement's provisions. At the end of
twenty years, if he has not taken advantage of it, he has no Agreement and he
would have to start over with a new application.
Grandfathered Parking Status
The Chairman asked Mr. Kyle if he had any opportunity to negotiate the
provisions of this Development Agreement? Mr. Kyle said "It's pretty much, like
I said, a generic contract. It's basically the same contract ... as BJ's ... I spent
a tremendous' amount of money to keep it (the property) under (the)
grandfathering clause so it would stay grandfathered. BJ's... (lost) their
grandfathering ...".
Commissioner Soukup asked Mr. Kyle about his effort to maintain the
grandfathering status for his parking situation, noting he would agree with his
view point if he had kept the use as the Masonic lodge. Mr. Kyle replied he has
a valid business license to operate the building as a hall or lodge. Commissioner
Soukup said, in that case, he wouldn't have to sign this Development Agreement
and could operate the building as a lodge.
Commissioner Soukup explained that when he wanted to change the use from a
lodge to retail businesses he had to apply for a Variance and with that he was
short parking. Mr. Kyle said "You can change uses and still have grandfathering.
That's been done up and down the street".
Commissioner Soukup said the City is asking Mr. Kyle to pay $7,300 per year
for five year. When the AB 1600 analysis is reviewed Mr. Kyle may find the cost
per deficient parking space fees goes to $200 or $500 per parking space. He did
not feel Mr. Kyle was being unfairly singled out. There are problems with
parking circulation and the Main Street Specific Plan is in the works to solve
problems. If Mr. Kyle wants to create retail offices which increase circulation
problems he somehow has to participate in solving of these problems. Mr. Kyle
disagreed that he is creating circulation problems, noting what could be created
there is bigger than what he is proposing. Also, when AB 1600 is read, a burden
created must be shown and he is not creating a problem.
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Mr. Kyle said his Variance asks him to participate in the City's in-lieu parking
program. "That's what I thought I was going into. Now my Development
Agreement -- hey I never heard of that. That was all new to me. I agree to it
but I'm saying what's this all mean? I get a 26 page Development Agreement to
a building's that's there".
Can't Compare Masonic Lodge and BI's Pizza
Chairman Dahlman said he was not sure the two situations were comparable,
noting Mr. Kyle is proposing to change the use and wasn't, but they had a hiatus;
these are two different issues.
Payment of $36.500
Commissioner Sharp asked about the $36,500 fee. Mr. Whittenberg said it's a
one-time fee to be paid over a five-year period of time. Commissioner Sharp said
other businesses are subject to new parking fees, Mr. Kyle is not being singled
out. Mr. Kyle said he wondered how these business people are going to afford
these proposed fees.
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Define Ap'pIicant's Wants
Mr. Steele said the Commission may want to know what provision the developer
wants in this Agreement. Is he asking the Planning Commission to recommend
that this initial mitigation fee be waived and that he participate in the in-lieu
parking program subsequently? Mr. Kyle said he's requesting "Whatever the in-
lieu program is now. Because no matter what happens here tonight, once we go
through a Specific Plan ... a number is going to be arrived at the very end of this
road, whether I pay it up front tonight or next month or whenever that Specific
Plan comes together... I'm just saying... to mitigate a little bit of money that's
going out up front right now ... ". Chairman Dahlman said the City actually
does not have an in-lieu program now. The City had one in the mid-1980's that
was ruled invalid. There are people paying $100 per year for spaces. If this
Development Agreement is approved, there will be two Development Agreements
in the City that set specific terms. The Main Street Specific Plan will incorporate
AB 1600 and that will look at all the available parking in the area and that's the
only way to have a true in-lieu program. Because there is no valid in-lieu
program, Mr. Kyle cannot participate in it. Mr. Kyle said once fees are
collected, the City must state where these funds are pledged. Is the City going
to build two-story parking structures at the beach? He doesn't think the City has
a major parking problem, noting a survey was done in 1983 that said no problem,
another survey in 1987 and said there are no parking problems. "It seems like
money is being thrown out until someone says yes, we do (have parking
problems). Then the City will have to build massive parking structures. That
will bring more people and the City will really have congestion". Mr. Kyle said
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he would like to see $200 or $300 per parking space per year until the AB 1600
analysis is completed and a program is developed.
David Rosenman * Seal Beach !No Address Givenl
Mr. Rosenman suggested the City Council adopted the strategy of a Development
Agreement for B]'s Pizza and felt this might be viewed as a precedent by citizens
who are watching to see if the City's going to do something about parking
problems. He was concerned that if the City starts wavering, it might go back
to the $100 per deficient parking space fee and that would be the wrong signal
to send.
Charles Antos * 328 17th Street. Seal Beach
Mr. Antos said pages 4 and 28 were missing from the packet he reviewed; he
would like to see these. He asked the following clarifications be placed in the
Record:
1. Attachment "A" to Resolution #93-38 should become part of the
Development Agreement if this project is approved.
2.
Condition #2, page 35: Emphasize that no restaurant uses are
permitted for twenty (20) years at 212 Main Street.
3. Condition #9, page 36: The City should guarantee that no City
funds are going to be used for any of those improvements.
He noted that two properties on Main Street had sidewalk repairs
done, benches installed at City expense for the benefit of the
property owner that fronts them.
4. Page 16, ~12.3: clarify for the Record that once a permanent
parking program is put into place, no matter what the cost is, if
this Development Agreement is signed, then the signature is liable
for those costs for the spaces that they lack.
Mr. Whittenberg said that is the intent of this condition. The City
Council will determine that amount from the AB 1600 analysis.
Mr. Antos said he is in favor of the Development Agreement. If the
developer chooses to not sign this document, after one year the Variance
and its conditions are gone and the developer can't do anything with that
property other than to continue to use it for the use it is currently used as.
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Gordon Shanks * 215 Surf Place. Seal Beach
Mr. Shanks said the Masonic Lodge is the only building on Main Street, with the
possible exception of the Bay Theater, that is built from property line to property
line; there is no parking. There is not even room for a six foot trash enclosure.
He felt the following should be considered:
1. The price paid for the Masonic Lodge was lower than it would
have been had it had the required parking.
2. Escrow on the Masonic Lodge did not close until after the
Development Agreement on BJ's Pizza was signed, so there was
some knowledge.
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Historically you must see where people are coming from. You've
had a history of not requiring parking and now new rules are
coming into play. It may look like the City is picking on one
person. It speaks well of the City and staff that they are finally
trying to get a permanent program so a developer will know what
the rules are up front and can figure his profit. In the past, the
procedure has been what a person can fenagle out of the Planning
Commission or City Council.
Mr. Shanks said he is in favor of this Development Agreement. The
Commission or Council could have required Mr. Kyle to chop off so
many feet of the building to provide the required parking or trash cans.
Bruce Stark * Seal Beach rNo Address Given]
Mr. Stark said the Development Agreement should go back to staff for review
and revision because Mr. Kyle had no input in its preparation. Mr. Stark
suggested the Planning Commission make a recommendation to the City Council
to determine what evidence there is that the City does have a parking problem
and to review whether it is reasonable to impose unrealistic parking requirements
on the Main Street merchants. He suggested merchants should decide for
themselves if they want to locate a business in an area with parking problems
because they are the ones who benefit from good business decisions. He sees no
benefits to the City residents from this Development Agreement and felt the City
should mind its own business.
Chairman Dahlman object to Mr. Stark's premise that the City should allow sites
with no parking to develop their businesses, and if there's no parking they will
suffer the business consequences. The problem is that the neighbors on either
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side will suffer those same consequences, even if they do provide their own
parking. He said the Planning Commission would deny any unjust Variance.
Commissioner Soukup objected to Mr. Stark's comment that in-lieu parking fees
were put into the general fund, giving the perception that perhaps these fees are
being spent. The fact is that the parking fees are put into an escrow account, in
which there is about $72,000.
Reva Olsen * Seal Beach [No Address Given 1
Ms. Olsen said the City doesn't know if it has a parking problem because it has
not gotten an Environmental Impact Report (EIR) before it started it's in-lieu
parking. She said she feels there is an overflow and a parking problem. The
uses on Main Street have been intensified and this has detrimentally impacted area
residents. She said she is concerned that (1) the taxpayers should subsidize
businesses. She asked why a $36,500 credit for this application was made? The
residents just got an increase in their utility taxes and they are the highest in
Orange County. So much money has been spent on Main Street for studies and
still we're not doing it right; (2) the City is provoking litigation from both the
residents and the merchants with Agreements like this. She felt this merchant did
not know what he was going to pay for or when. She asked what is our Specific
Plan going to be like? Where's the parking going to be? Who's going to pay for
it? How much will it cost? Ms. Olsen said she had to obtain legal counsel in
order to obtain the warrants to ascertain the cost of studies done for Main Street.
She suggested the Planning Commission wait for the Specific Plan before going
through with this Development Agreement.
Rebuttal: Brian Kyle
Mr. Kyle said he agreed with the testimony -- a lot of money has been spent on
consultants who say there is no parking problem. There are parking problems at
certain hours of the day but nothing compared to other cities. His legal, non-
conforming building has been there for years and he is downgrading it from a
high intensity use to a low intensity use. The City is giving no incentives to
make this happen. The businesses on Main Street cannot support the proposed
large parking fees.
Chairman Dahlman asked Mr. Kyle if his purchase price was discounted, given
the fact the buyer and seller both recognized that it would be expensive to finance
parking? Mr. Kyle said no.
Chairman Dahlman asked Mr. Kyle if he had an opportunity to negotiate the
Development Agreement provisions with staff? Mr. Kyle said no. Chairman
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Dahlman asked Mr. Kyle if he met with Mr. Curtis or Mr. Whittenberg? Mr.
Kyle said yes "... we met and ... they basically came back and said that this is
the Agreement. I just said well, I'm having a hard time with this Agreement".
Mr. Whittenberg said the meetings were held with Mr. Bankston. Mr. Kyle said
there was one meeting and he had to call to get it.
The Public Hearing was closed.
Commission Comments
MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Law to approve the Development
Agreement for 212 Main Street as presented in the Agenda packet through
the adoption of Resolution No. 93-49. The Commission recommended to the
City Council that they review the traffic and parking mitigation contribution
figures.
MOTION CARRIED: 5 - 0 - 0
AYES: Sharp, Law, Dahlman, Campbell, Soukup
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RECESS:
At 8:45 P.M. the Chairman declared a ten minute recess. The Planning
Commission reconvened at 9:00 P.M., with all members present.
5. Conditional Use Permit #92-7 (9:00 p.m.)
Neeative Declaration #93-2 (Revised and Recirculated)
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Address: 99 Marina Drive
Business: Union Oil Company of California
Applicant: Union Oil Company of California
Property Owner: Exxon Corporation
Request: A request to institute operations at the existing,
although currently non-operational, Seal Beach on-shore
production facility located at 99 Marina Drive, Seal
Beach, CA. This on-shore production facility serves
Platform &ther, located approximately 1.5 miles south
of the City of Seal Beach.
Staff Report
Mr. Whittenberg delivered the staff report. [Staff report on file in the Planning
Department].
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Commission Comments on Staff Report
Processing Capacity
Chairman Dahlman asked what is the processing capacity at 99 Marina Drive?
Mr. Whittenberg said he did not know the processing capacity but the storage
capacity is 9,000 barrels and they are requesting to store 4,500 barrels. The on-
site tanks are for storage.
Archaeological Monitoring
Chairman Dahlman asked how the archaeological provisions would be monitored?
Mr. Whittenberg said the archaeologist physically excavated three test pits on site
which measured 3'x3' in size to a depth of 5'or 6', at a point where they hit
water. Nothing was found to indicate any archaeological significance to the site
and no further analysis was recommended. The City's Archaeological Committee
fully reviewed all the reports. [Reports on file in the Planning Department].
Emergency Preparedness
Chairman Dahlman asked about emergency preparedness for this site. Mr.
Whittenberg deferred to the operators of the facility to determine what is an
emergency. A rupture of a pipe causing spillage would be an emergency but this
is statistically termed an "unlikely event" according to the analysis; one in a
million.
Unocal to Process Only for Platform Esther
Commissioner Law asked if the 99 Marine Drive site processed fluids only for
Esther Island? Mr. Whittenberg said yes. If the Exxon facility were to break
down, Unocal would have to come back to the City for an amendment to their
CUP to process Exxon's fluids. That would require another Public Hearing.
Chairman Dahlman said an EIR would be needed because they are very close to
the limits for emissions.
Commissioner Law asked how the City would know if Unocal were processing
someone else's oil? Mr. Whittenberg said right now Exxon is processing for
Unocal and they had to go through the Coastal Commission to do that. If
something changes, the Coastal Commission might give those companies a
difficult time to do something else. He indicated that City staff is in that area
fairly regularly and does observe things that go on.
Shutting Down 99 Marina Drive
Commissioner Law asked when the oil is depleted at Esther Island will this
facility be shut down? Mr. Whittenberg said that was his understanding.
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City Liability for Property Devaluation
Commissioner Law asked if the City would be liable if surrounding properties are
devalued due to this CUP approval? Mr. Steele advised no, not as long as the
decision is consistent, as the municipal Code requires, with the General Plan and
the property's zoning.
Clean Up Exxon's Facility
Commissioner Law asked if there were a way to get the Exxon facility cleaned
up? Mr. Whittenberg said that if the City proceeds with the General Plan
amendment and zone change for the entire area, one of the provisions would be
to require those non-conforming properties in the area to come back to the City
for a CUP. At that point, the City would be able to deal with Exxon.
Violations of Maintenance
Commissioner Campbell asked if violations of non-emergency maintenance occur,
in what time frame must compliance be accomplished? What remedies does the
City have to force compliance? Mr. Steel said the City can enforce the noise
ordinance at this facility. Unocal is subject to the criminal penalties the municipal
Code imposes for violations. The City can always amend conditions of the CUP
to reflect existing situations if the City sees the conditions imposed are not be
adhered to.
Fence Line Monitoring
Commissioner Campbell asked if fence line monitoring will be conducted after
the initial 30-day period? Mr. Whittenberg said the initial 30 days would be the
only monitoring period, as presently proposed by staff.
Public Hearing
Robert Province. Landman * Unocal
Mr. Province stated Unocal met with area homeowners to discuss their issues and
address their concerns. Some concerns were:
1.
Processing production at another location. Processing off-shore on
Platform Esther would require a Coastal Commission permit to install new
facilities on the platform which do not exist now. Unocal has no idea if
that permit would ever be secured; they are pursuing this idea. Another
alternative would be to process on-shore at another location in this area.
To do that U nocal would have to find an existing area operator, install a
new pipeline from their existing facility to the other location. Coastal
Commission permits would need to be secured and that would be very
difficult. Unocal is looking for operators to do this but so far none have
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the capacity to process Unoca!'s production. Both alternatives are not
viable options at this time.
2. Noise. Unocal completed a noise study at their Ft. Apache facility in
Huntington Beach to gather current data showing noise generated from an
operating facility in a residential area. Unocal monitored equipment at
full capacity and the results indicated the noise levels would not exceed
the City of Seal Beach noise ordinance. If there were a nuisance to the
general public UnocaI would respond and mitigate the problem. Unocal
has not received complaints regarding noise at Ft. Apache.
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3. Aesthetics. In Seal Beach the landscape is sparse, the old fence is
unattractive and the three tanks are eyesores. He showed colored
drawings of what Unocal proposed. Their plan proposes a ten foot (10')
cement block decorative wall surrounding the Unocal facility; it will cut
across the Unocal and Exxon facilities. Brick pillars will be installed at
25' intervals to break-up the wall; tile coping will be added on top.
Mature, 10' tall, landscaping will be planted. This wall will be surfaced
to make graffiti removal easier. In addition, the existing 24' high tanks
will be reduced to 12', and painted to match the Exxon facility.
Mr. Province said Unocal wants to be a part of the Seal Beach community; they
are completely accountable for any activity in that facility. They want to be
responsive to any concerns the citizens have.
Amortization
Commissioner Sharp asked if this staff report contains information on an
amortization period? Mr. Whittenberg said no, the CUP is silent on the length
of time the CUP is valid for and nothing about amortization is stated in the
Conditions of Approval. Once the approval is granted, and as long as all the
Conditions are complied with, they would be allowed to operate the facility
indefinitely. The staff report discusses a General Plan amendment and zone
change to change the designation of the property from Oil Extraction to
residential use. The City has indicated that if that change is made to the General
Plan, a twenty (20) year amortization schedule be placed at the time the
property's zoning is changed. That would require both the Unocal and Exxon
facilities to be removed at the twenty year time. This is not part of this CUP, it
would considered separately as part of the General Plan amendment and zone
change.
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CUP/Land Use Entitlement
Chairman Dahlman asked if a CUP is an entitlement which runs with the land and
any subsequent purchaser? And, if the City should later change the zoning,
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would Unocal or a new owner have to comply with that new zoning? Mr. Steele
said yes, Unocal or a new owner would have to comply with any new zoning.
The new zoning would provide that all properties which were permitted uses in
the zone, under the prior zoning, conform to the new zoning within that specified
time period. It would have the effect of eliminating the uses and the CUPs which
allowed those uses to exist within that specified time period.
City to Pay for Amortization
Chairman Dahlman asked if the City would have any financial responsibility
pertaining to the amortization? Mr. Steele said staffs preliminary discussions
with Unoca1 and Exxon have indicated the life of Platform Esther will run out
within the twenty year period and the property owners will have realized their
economic value out of the property within that period; the amortization is set at
the outside limit. The City avoids the need to pay for any part of that use by
allowing the longer amortization period.
Procedural Review
Commissioner Sharp asked for a procedural review of the Planning Commission's
action tonight. Mr. Whittenberg said the Planning Commission's determination
on this CUP application is a final determination unless an appeal is filed to the
City Council. If the Commission does take action tonight, staff will bring a
resolution back to the Commission for formal consideration at their next meeting.
When the resolution is adopted, that action would start the ten (10) day appeal
period.
Processing Capacity
Chairman Dahlman asked Mr. Province for Unocal's processing capacity. Mr.
Province deferred to Roger Hamson, Production Engineer, Unocal. Mr. Hamson
said Unocal anticipates a total of 7,500 barrels per day of gross fluid --- about
2500 barrels of oil plus 5000 barrels of water per day. The water goes into the
sewer system and the oil is retained on site. Unocal must make monthly averages
on the water discharge into the Orange County Sanitation District lines because
they pay a fee for that use.
Estimate Pollution emission
Chairman Dahlman, talking about air pollution standards, asked how much
pollution Unoca1 is estimating. Mr. Hamson said the AQMD figures are based
on 4000 barrels of oil. Mr. Hamson said it is difficult to estimate what the oil
wells on Esther Island are going to produce because they've been down for ten
years but Unocal's best estimate is about 2,500 barrels of oil per day.
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Unocal Processing
Commissioner Law asked ifUnocal would ever process someone else's oil? Mr.
Hamson said no.
Present Proposal vs. Past Operation
Commissioner Campbell said she drove by the site today and spoke with one of
the area residents. The resident asked Commissioner Campbell to ask how does
the presently proposed operation compare with the operation that existed ten years
ago? Mr. Hamson said he could not theorize how Chevron's operation was. He
said Unocal's facility will have all electric equipment as opposed to Chevron's
gasoline and diesel powered equipment. Unocal's facility should be quieter. The
proposed facility will be smaller than the facility was ten years ago.
Equate Emission
Commissioner Campbell, referencing the estimated project emissions (page 218
of the staff report), noted the reactive organic gas emissions come close to the
level Unocal is allowed to emit. She asked if this could be related to something
more concrete, like a truck's emissions? Mr. Hamson said he was not qualified
to make that estimation but guessed the emissions from Unocal's facility would
be the equivalent of one semi truck.
Spillage
Commissioner Campbell, referencing the effect of a seismic event on fluids
contained above ground, asked how much damage would spillage cause and what
would the range of contamination be? Mr. Hamson replied the regulations
require Unocal to have a containment area large enough to hold 1% times the
capacity of its largest tank. Unocal would be able to contain, on site, the entire
contents of one tank. There would be no contamination to the surrounding
neighborhoods. In order for there to be contamination, there would have to be
simultaneous failure of all three tanks.
Sabotage
Commissioner Campbell said she is concerned about the possibility of a person
willfully causing destruction on this site. She asked what is the combustible
capacity of this site? Mr. Hamson replied that to do the most damage someone
would have to put a bomb on one of the oil tanks; the tanks do not operate full.
That person would be setting off 1,000 barrels of crude. The crude is flammable
but not explosive, as is gasoline. A tremendous explosion would not be expected
but a large fire would be. Commissioner Campbell said she was very concerned
about the immediate neighborhoods and the problems with fire and toxic gases.
Mr. Hamson said he had no comment on terrorist attacks.
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Security
Chairman Dahlman asked if the facility would be secured? Mr. Hamson replied
yes, they will have the ten foot wall, a ten foot gate with barbed wire. He added
that if somebody wants to get in, they can get in. He said Unocal could easily
put an alarm system on site.
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Chairman Dahlman, referencing odors from the site, asked Mr. Hamson if it felt
like you were driving into a residential neighborhood or driving through San
Pedro? Mr. Hamson said he would not anticipate you could smell anything. The
only fumes will be from the combustion of the natural gas, which is clean natural
utility grade gas to heat the emulsion. The only thing you could smell would be
exhausts of burned natural gas, which is the same thing you'd smell if you turned
on your stove. This is not a refinery and Unoca1's processes are different.
Chairman Dahlman said there would be fumes above the crude within the tanks
and asked how these will be dealt with? Mr. Hamson said all the tanks are under
pressure and have vapor recovery systems approved by AQMD. There will be
no emissions from the tanks. The vapors come off the tank, go into a
compressor, the compressor pressures up the gas and puts it in a gas transmission
line. There will be no vapors from the tanks.
Persons Speaking in Favor - No one wished to speak in favor of this application.
Persons Speaking in Opposition
John O'Neil * 395 Clipper Way. Seal Beach
Mr. O'Neil said this facility is a serious threat to the quality of life in Seal Beach.
For the last ten years there has been no air pollution coming from the site, but
if this application is approved it will add pollution to the air and degrade the
neighborhood. Regarding the air pollution tests run by Unoca1 at Ft. Apache in
Huntington Beach, the Meredith-Boli study was a short test, completed in three
days, which is not enough time. What was not tested were non-routine conditions
which actually create the most air pollution. The tests did show elevated levels
of increased air pollution. He said he knew of no semi-truck that emits 38,000
pounds per year of air pollution. Not including toxics, the air pollution to the
neighborhood is quite serious. He said air resource people say the normal air
pollution allowed would be 20 to 40 pounds per day, not 59.62 pounds per day.
Unocal gets this figure up to 60 pounds by shutting down another piece of
equipment at another site and trading the pollution credits. Exxon has been a
nuisance since their inception. He was concerned about coupling the Exxon
emissions with the Unocal emissions. The bottom line is to not allow a heavy
duty industrial application in the middle of a residential area.
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Chairman Dahlman said the standard for requiring an EIR is 75 pounds of
emissions per day. He asked if Mr. O'Neil was saying that the Unocal project
is under the 75 pounds and the Exxon facility is under 75 pounds, but they should
be looked at as one emitting source and consider the total number of pounds
emitted by the two facilities. Mr. O'Neil said the credits are traded to control the
overall emissions.
Sol John * Seal Beach
Mr. John said oil facilities should be built elsewhere because their odors spoil the
town.
Larry Shore * 273 Corsair Avenue. Seal Beach
Mr. Shore said this facility scares him because the 1986 environmental checklist
submitted for the Exxon facility said "Creation of objectionable odors" and the
answer was "Maybe". He said several nights every week there are objectionable
odors in the neighborhood from the existing Exxon facility. Two months ago he
was forced to call the Fire Department because he was afraid of a hazardous leak.
Another question was "Risk of explosion or release of hazardous substances,
including ... oil, pesticides, chemicals, radiation ..." and the answer was "Yes".
Another question was "Potential health hazard" and the answer was "Maybe".
That's not a "No". He feared Seal Beach and the area homes would lose value
as a result of this facility being at 99 Marina Drive.
Mario Voce * Seal Beach fNo Address Givenl
Mr. Voce referenced Table III on page 218, and asked what "reactive organic
gas" is, as it is the largest emission? Mr. Province did not define "reactive
organic gas" but said he spoke with Ben Shaw at AQMD and was told the
emission figures are ultra-conservative numbers, 60% to 80% higher than what
would be expected from this facility. Mr. Voce indicated there is an information
gap on this item, which is the major component of the emissions. He went on
record against any increase of air pollution, including asking people to drive less.
Mr. Voce suggested the Commission might want to look at Exxon's emission
numbers and tack them onto Unocal's.
Chairman Dahlman asked if the City's Environmental Quality Control Board had
received this Negative Declaration? Mr. Voce said the information passed
through the EQCB; they made no decision as they are a recommending
committee.
Mr. Whittenberg said the AQMD makes their determinations on a facility-by-
facility basis. They don't combine one facility adjacent to another. He indicated
trading pollution credits was not a sound idea for the Commission to pursue.
Discussion ensued on how companies could avoid the EIR process.
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Bill Lazitch * 100 Electric Avenue. Seal Beach
Mr. Lazitch said he's been living behind the Exxon facility for years. He bases
his analysis and comments on what's been going on at the existing operation.
Regarding odors and noise, he said Unoca1 says their emissions will be within
certain levels, but the City granted a permit for Exxon to completely revamp their
plant two years ago and they said the same things. He guaranteed that doesn't
exist today -- that plant emits odors and noise as it always has. The operations
are not fool proof. On August 6, 1993 he turned in a complaint on odor to
AQMD. The area inspector was on vacation and they couldn't send anybody out
for one week. But the time he got there the odor was gone. He went to Exxon
and they denied there was any odor. When pressed, Exxon did admit a
compressor had gone out but was repaired in two days. The AQMD inspector
was Gene Hines at the Long Beach office. In summary, odors and noise from the
facility do exist. Regarding the point that the City would be liable to Unoca1 for
their equipment if this CUP were denied --- that equipment is close to forty years
old and there's no value to it. That factor should not be considered when
reviewing this application.
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George Irwin * [No Address Given). Seal Beach
He suggested the President or the Board of Directors for Unocal be required to
live in a residence adjacent to and down wind of this facility.
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Hugh Nelson * 314 Spinnaker. Seal Beach
Mr. Nelson said he knows that several residents have tried to refinance their
homes and the appraisers take note of this processing site. It has interfered with
the processing of their loans. There is concern for reduction of property values.
Regarding the tests performed at Ft. Apache, he expressed concern that staff did
not pick up on the fact that a three day test washes out the highs and the lows,
leaving an average for three days only. The Unoca1 testing data does not include
a testing situation which involves opening the vats and pipes. This could account
for black residue on cars. He asked the Commission to go out to the site and
confront the constant hum of machinery on site. After awhile this works on you
on the subliminal level --- 24 hours per day, 52 weeks per year for years. After
dark you can see a lO'(diameter) heater in place with a large blue flame
underneath; it's a large furnace. You can smell this furnace down wind
constantly. Unocal talked to the Riverbeach Homeowners Association but
although they knew of this meeting they didn't tell the residents. The residents
read about it in the newspaper. Unocal pledges to be a good neighbor and to be
available to concerns however, an October 8, 1993 Press Telegram article details
that Unoca1 was fined $200,000 for their activities in Wilmington regarding
hazardous waste, for failing to provide financial responsibility for potential
accidents, failing to properly train workers and conduct required facility
inspections, and failing to manage hazardous waste containers. He presented a
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petition noting that homes and oil don't mix. (Attached for the Record). He
noted that staff supplied legal precedent that precludes EIR preparation. He
hoped the testimony would raise sufficient questions for the Commission to look
at this application closely.
Jim Bridges * rNo Addressl Huntington Beach
Mr. Bridges said he was asked to speak tonight because he was instrumental in
Huntington Beach's issues re Unocal's Ft. Apache plant at Huntington Beach. The
main difference between Ft. Apache and 99 Marina Drive is that Ft. Apache has
operated for thirty years. Unocal had been very cooperative in Huntington Beach
up to the point where a report showed a lot more study needed to be done. At
that point Unocal cut them off. He mentioned that certain tests show an increase
in birth defects, cancers and breathing disorders within a short proximity of Ft.
Apache.
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Larry Gemberling * 265 Corsair. Seal Beach
Mr. Gemberling said his bedroom is the closest to this facility. This summer, at
least six times, they had to close their bedroom doors because of the noise. Last
night they had to leave their jacuzzi due to the bad smells from that facility. The
City should take the money spent on this staff report and get rid of both facilities
and make a better use of this land.
Gordon Labedz * Surf Rider Foundation
Mr. Labedz said he is with the City's Beach Commission and is representing the
Surf Rider Foundation. He talked about skirting the law by working the system.
To get around an EIR Unocal has separated the off-shore oil drilling from the 99
Marina Drive facility. He said the Planning Commission could deny this
application without an EIR. We don't need any more off-shore oil drilling in
Seal Beach or California. The California representatives are pushing for
sanctuaries, like Monterey Bay. What would more off-shore oil drilling get Seal
Beach? It will pollute our ocean and stink up our neighborhoods. He noted the
Commission has been brutal on small business owners and could not perceive the
Commission's not denying this proposal "with all it's potential environmental
dangers". Regarding subsidence, subsidence has been an issue in Huntington
Beach and Long Beach. To say that it's "probably" not going to be a problem
and therefore we don't need to worry about the impacts of off-shore oil drilling
is not true.
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David Sutton * 245 ClipJ}er Way. Seal Beach
Mr. Sutton said organic reactive gasses are primarily hydrocarbons which have
been unreacted. They are not combusted natural gas. If Unocal does operate
with electrical equipment with no internal combustion engines and they are only
burning natural gas, then the sources of these unreacted hydrocarbons have to be
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either leaks from the oil (vapors) or uncombusted natural gas (primarily methane).
No one wants those drifting around their neighborhood. These are also the
primary sources of the odors, not methane. The question of what is the source
of the 75 pounds of emissions should be investigated. If these emissions are from
leaks, this involves assumptions about leak rates. This usually involves pristine
construction, best case operation (not catastrophic or worst case). The issue of
"through put" which is determined by the number of compressors/pumps on site;
this is noise. "Through put" can also involve the potential maximum leakage.
While storage is important, "through put" is also important for those reasons.
When Chevron was operating at this site there were smells associated with the
operation, also substantial noise, the plant was not manned and when alarms went
off no one knew the source of the alarm -- equipment failure, leaks, intrusion.
At one time an alarm went off on a Sunday and it rang all day. He called all day
and couldn't get anyone to answer so he called City police. The Police
Department said they received 50 calls, tried to reach 'Chevron and couldn't reach
them either. Eventually, the alarm noise drove them out of their house.
Manning is important -- if something goes wrong will someone be there to take
care of it? It would be nice to know how long it would take someone to get there
if something went wrong. The Chevron wasn't a good deal for the City's
residents. Over the last ten years the area residents have come to expect peace
and quite and not much air pollution. Their environment will degrade if this is
approved, despite what Unocal has promised.
Commissioner Law said the staff report says the facility will be manned 24-hours
per day and there will be no alarms. Mr. Whittenberg clarified that the Unoca1
facility will not be manned on a regular basis. The facility would operate through
control systems to monitor it from their manned off-shore platform, where
personnel are on duty 24-hours a day. Emergency response plans are
requirements of the Orange County Fire Department. The Fire Department will
decide what their response time must be. Mr. Sutton expressed concerns that the
City doesn't know what the Fire Department's requirements will be and it's not
a subject of this hearing. Mr. Whittenberg said the Orange County Fire
Department is an agency of the City and once they've seen the facility and what's
proposed will place their conditions. Unoca1 will be required to meet these
conditions fully.
Chairman Dahlman asked if the rotten odor, hydrogen sulfide, is a reactive
organic gas and what is it doing there as it's not on the list of pollutants? Mr.
Sutton said it would be classified as a reactive organic gas and noted there are
other sulfides which would give off that odor. H2S is one which is highly toxic
and on continuous exposure it deadens your sense of smell.
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Bob Ragland * 484 Schooner. Seal Beach
Mr. Ragland is a 17 year resident at this address. He moved from 12th Street
and Electric A venue to avoid the noise there. When he moved to Bridgeport
there was a City Yard facility near 99 Marina Drive, and the oil facility but it
was well isolated from the rest of the neighborhood. Since that time about fifty
(50) houses have been built in what was the City Yard (Riverbeach). Because the
oil separation facility has been unused for ten years he feels the facility is
abandoned. The people who were using it for economic gain have not used it.
In those ten years the neighborhood has changed drastically. He said that the oil
facility was a "pig in a poke" but now it's a "pig in the parlor" and no amount
of cosmetic mitigation will make it anything but a "pig in the parlor". Lastly, he
voiced concerns about truck traffic going in and out of the facility. There is not
much traffic in that area as it's a residential area.
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Ron Jessner * 1704 Bayou Way. Seal Beach
Mr. Jessner introduced himself as a resident of Seal Beach and a former Planning
Commissioner who was on the Commission when the CUP was heard for
Chevron. At that time Unocal came with Chevron to the Planning Commission
hearing. Chevron said they would be wonderful neighbors and Unocal said they
were sorry their facility looks like a mess but they've spent time and money
cleaning it up and would take of their facility. If anyone has gone by their
facility recently they will note it's not well maintained. The lengthy hearings and
testimony demonstrated there's a potential for explosions, the noise, the fumes are
the same issues that are brought up tonight. The Commission's findings were that
it is an incompatible use because of the surrounding residential uses. While the
oil separation facility has been there a long time, the residential uses have also
been building up around it over a long period of time and the oil separation
facility is no longer compatible. At that time the Planning Commission denied
the CUP for Chevron and Chevron went away. During those hearings, the
question was asked could Chevron pipe their oil some place else? Chevron said
yes. Therefore, Seal Beach is not the only place the oil from Platform Esther can
be separated. It could be sent to Wilmington or any place else they want to send
lines to. "This isn't a do or die situation". He stated he is opposed to this
application and was opposed to the Chevron application because it's an
incompatible and unsafe use.
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Carla Watson * 1635 Catalina Avenue. Seal Beach
Mrs. Watson is a 30-year Seal Beach resident and owned her first home in
Bridgeport. As property owners she and her husband are very concerned about
the environment of Seal Beach and Bridgeport. As a Parks and Recreation
Commissioner she is concerned about the welfare of the children and adults who
use City parks. The City has just rebuilt and rededicated a beautiful facility at
Marina Park, adjacent to 99 Marina Drive. Hundred of children play there daily.
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The City's Recreation Department provides a full activity agenda for adults and
children which includes all week day care, babysitting, exercise classes, tennis
lessons, tai chi etc. She asked how much money coming to the City is worth
anyone's lungs or breathing and air quality? Government is here to fill a void
and to protect our health and welfare.
Craif: Steele said any evidence or indication of inside fact gathering by Planning
Commissioners should be so stated for the Record. Commissioner Sharp said he
drove by the site but did not contact anyone. Commissioner Campbell's
comments were noted previously.
Rebuttal * Robert Province
Mr. Province said incorrect information has been presented. Unocal does not
trade pollution credits. Unocal is not Exxon or Chevron. They have a local
office in Santa Fe Springs. The odor problem can be attributed to the production
from Exxon as the fault Exxon produces from has H2S gas in it. The structure
and fault that Unocal produces from does not have H2S gas in it, so there would
not be any rotten egg odors. If there odor concerns occur, Unocal will respond
to that, as they have in the past. "Our track record speaks for itself".
Facility Manninf:
Commissioner Law asked how the facility at 99 Marine Drive would be manned?
Mr. Province said there will always be a foreman at the facility during regular
business hours. Regarding the 24-hour manning, the 99 Marina Drive facility is
manned by controls. If there's any problem, a silent alarm will call the
appropriate personnel on Platform Esther, which is ten (10) minutes away from
99 Marina Drive, and the Platform Esther personnel would send somebody from
the platform to 99 Marina Drive.
Commissioner Law asked if there was someone available 24-hours per day at the
Santa Fe Springs office? Mr. Province said Unocal does have a Hot Line to call
and there would be somebody there to respond to your call. During normal hours
(6:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.) you would talk to a Unocal employee. At midnight
someone would answer your call and your message would be forwarded to a
chain-of-command of individuals to assist. This number is not posted at the
dormant facility but it can easily be posted.
Pipinf: Elsewhere
Commissioner Sharp asked if Unocal has any facilities that the oil could be piped
to without having to lay a new pipeline? Mr. Province said Unocal doesn't have
any other facility in the area.
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Testing Procedures
Chairman Dahlman asked for further clarification on testing procedures,
specifically the noise level testing done at Ft. Apache with everything turned on.
Mr. Province said that at Ft. Apache the equipment was purposely turned on
abnormally to get the worst case scenario.
Commissioner Sharp said the oil separation facility is operated as a water heater
would be, with the burners on thermostats to keep the fluids at a certain
temperature. The burners are operated automatically when needed.
Height of Wall
Commissioner Soukup asked if Unocal would be opposed to building a 12' wall
versus a 10' wall for noise abatement? Mr. Province said no. Mr. Whittenberg
said that through the CUP process a 12' wall could be required. There is a high
water table in that area which might not accommodate a 12' wall, the foundation
might float.
Craig Steele asked Mr. Province the following questions:
1.
Is there any air pollution off-set or reclamation program that's enabling
Unocal to meet certain emission standards at the facility or are those the
numbers that are actually be emitted from the facility?
Mr. Hamson said U.nocal was not off-setting any emissions with any other
facility. No trading of emissions to get this permitted by AQMD.
2. Regarding the difference in the product produced by the Exxon facility
and the Unocal facility, is there a difference in the technology between the
proposed facility and Exxon and also the proposed facility and Ft.
Apache?
Mr. Hamson said the Exxon facility does use a different process that
Unocal uses but the Ft. Apache facility will be very similar to 99 Marina
Drive.
3. Regarding a testing situation to where multiple lines or tanks are open,
such as occurs at the Rossmoor facility (a power plant), is that a type of
test that would occur at the Unocal facility at 99 Marina Drive?
Mr. Hamson said the Unocal facility at 99 Marina Drive is totally
different. Unocal wouldn't do any kind of testing that would cause black,
sooty-type emissions. There is no open line testing.
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Mr. Hamson said Unocal does have AQMD permits for the proposed facility at
99 Marina Drive. Unocal's facility will have no H2S gas, and H2S is not an
organic reactive gas, not a hydrocarbon. Unocal will be more responsive than
Exxon in addressing any problems. Regarding a 10' diameter flame at Exxon,
he believed Exxon has an open flame water heater but Unocal's water heater will
be completely enclosed. Regarding oil drilling and subsidence, this project has
nothing to do with oil drilling per se, no drilling is planned off Platform Esther.
There will be no subsidence, none of the wells are under the City of Seal Beach.
Regarding truck traffic, Unocal does not plan to truck out any oil, they have a
direct connection on-site to Chevron pipelines.
The Public Hearing was closed.
Commission Comments
Commissioner Sharp clarified Mr. lessner's comment regarding the Planning
Commission's having denied Chevron's CUP. Mr. Whittenberg explained the
circumstances, saying that the application was denied by the Planning
Commission without prejudice because Chevron did not have the requested EIR
prepared. The denial without prejudice allowed Chevron to file the same
application within a one year time period; they didn't refile. The City did not
take an action to deny the application based on the merits of the application but
upon the fact an EIR was not prepared. Chairman Dahlman noted a conflict
between the statements of former Commissioner Jessner and Commissioner
Sharp. Mr. Whittenberg said the Minutes of the November 19, 1986 meeting are
in this staff report.
Commissioner Sharp said the oil separation facility have been there a long time.
The residents came in afterward. He noted that both he and Mr. Jessner were on
the Planning Commission when Mr. Watson applied to build the four homes on
First Street. He said "We tried every way in the world to discourage the houses
from going in there because of the Exxon being right next to it but the builder
and so forth felt there was no reason, anyone that bought there knew they were
there. So, to me, they have absolutely no right to come in and complain against
them ... we have to give this plant a chance to operate. It means quite a bit to
the City financially. If it doesn't operate, Exxon is going to operate right next
to it anyway. But this plant is going to have all brand new, up to the last minute
equipment and it's going to be a much better operation than we have ever had as
far as an oil extraction". He felt the City should place restrictions on the facility
and should grant the application.
Commissioner Soukup said that after listening to all the testimony, he was
inclined to be sympathetic to area residents and was yet impressed by Unocal's
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effort. Regarding health, safety and odor issues, he felt the Unocal facility is
separate and distinct from the Exxon facility; all the complaints appear to be
generated about the Exxon facility. He didn't share the area resident's mistrust
regarding this project. Regarding the money being generated in Seal Beach, it
is equivalent to approximately twenty or thirty Main Streets, in the congestion,
noise and pollution and the type of industry the City could get to create 20 Main
Streets vs. a project that takes up two acres in an area where residents fully knew
the site existed. In comparison of the greater benefit to the entire City -- he fell
on the side of the previous argument. Thirdly, the zoning will ultimately change
and this use will be legally amortized in twenty years. He was on record for
being in favor of this project.
Commissioner Campbell said she has concerns with Exxon operating at that site.
She stated the two sites are not compatible with the existing neighborhoods. She
had serious reservations about continuing the use that close to homes.
Commissioner Law said she was torn, noting everyone burns gasoline but hoped
alternate fuels would be developed. She said she was in favor of this project.
Chairman Dahlman said any endeavor to make money involves taking some risk.
A question is, are you taking too much risk for the amount of money received?
This risk is significant from a safety standpoint, the risk is not justified. He felt
the Planning Commission should not look at the financial aspects of land use.
But should, instead, look at the way land is employed. His main concern was the
need for the preparation of an EIR. Referencing the table on page 218 of the
staff report, he felt the preparer could not have meant to allow Exxon to produce
"X" amount of emissions and Unocal to produce "X" amount of emissions, thus
far exceeding the allowable amount, but at the same time neither facility
exceeding their allowance, thus negating the need for an EIR. Referencing the
Negative Declaration he cited:
"Human Health. Creation of any health hazard or potential health
hazard, excluding mental health". Answer: ~aybe.
"Exposure of people to potential health hazards". Answer: Maybe.
He felt there is inadequate mitigation for those "Maybe" answers and that an EIR
is required. There is enough weighty evidence to demonstrate the need for
additional environmental review. He stated he could not approve this project with
the present Negative Declaration.
Craig Steele advised the Commission needs to take two actions, first on the
Negative Declaration and second on the CUP.
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MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Law to approve Negative Declaration
#93-2.
Discussion
Commissioner Soukup said he did not believe Negative Declaration #93-2 was
significantly different that the preparation of an EIR, other than the comment
period length.
Chairman Dahlman stated he felt this matter requires an EIR because, if
approved, there would be two facilities doing the same thing in virtually the same
space and would be in excess of 75 pounds of organic hydrocarbons.
Commissioner Sharp said that argument is like comparing two neighbors, one
having a 1929 diesel without a muffler and the other having a new car giving off
new emissions. The new car owner shouldn't be given a ticket because the other
guy is throwing out the emissions. Chairman Dahlman agreed but said in this
case the people who wrote that rule did not intend for the property owner to be
able to sublet the property to a second operator, thereby getting around the fact
that the site is producing 100 pounds per day of emissions.
MOTION CARRIES:
A YES:
NOES:
3-2-0
Sharp, Law, Soukup
Dahlman, Campbell
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MOTION by Sharp; SECOND by Law to approve Conditional Use Permit
#92-7.
Chairman Dahlman suggested two additional conditions of approval:
1. A security device be installed.
2. A 24-hour response capability be required.
Commissioner Sharp said he would agree to the first suggested condition but not
to the second because the applicant has already addressed the 24-hour response
issue. Chairman Dahlman voiced concerns that people on Platform Esther could
not reach the City in ten minutes as stated by Unocal.
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Mr. Whittenberg said the emergency response plan is to be
approved by the Fire Department. The Commission could require
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review of the emergency response plan prior to issuance of
building permits. Commissioner Sharp agreed.
Commissioner Soukup suggested one additional condition of approval:
4. Unocal is to provide continuous and proper maintenance of all
landscaped areas as shown on the plan, as well as other areas of
the facility, for the life of its operation. Should the maintenance
not be performed, the City shall have the right to perform such
maintenance as it deems appropriate to preserve the health, safety
and welfare of the surrounding residents and all such costs shall be
reimbursable by Unocal within thirty (30) days of receipt of an
accounting of such costs by the City of Seal Beach.
Commissioners Sharp and Law said they had no objections to this condition. The
applicant said they do not object to these conditions.
MOTION CARRIED:
A YES:
NOES:
3-2-0
Sharp, Law, Soukup
Dahlman, Campbell
Mr. Whittenberg said a resolution will be brought back to the Commission at the
November 3rd meeting. It will reflect the additional conditions proposed this
evening. Once a final action is taken on this resolution, that would start the
appeal time period running.
VI.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
David Rosenman * Seal Beach stated the Press Telegram newspaper printed its
crime report for October 10, 1993, Sunday and the report stated an assault took
place at the SeaSide Grill at 8:47 p.m.
VU. STAFF CONCERNS
There were no staff concerns.
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COMMISSION CONCERNS
Commissioner Sharp noted the submission deadline for the December 22nd
meeting is November 17th. He suggested staff steer applications away from
December 22nd as it would be three days before Christmas. Mr. Whittenberg
said staff normally attempts to do that unless there is a major emergency on
something.
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Commissioner Soukup indicated trailers are parked in a fenced lot at 16th Street
by Electric A venue. He was not sure if people are living in those trailers.
Commissioner Soukup referenced a bootleg apartment on 16th Street. Mr.
Whittenberg asked him to call and give the actual address to staff.
IX. ADJOURNMENT
Chairman Dahlman adjourned the meeting at 11:45 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted,
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Recording Secretary
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