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HomeMy WebLinkAboutEQCB Min 1997-05-20 J,.. .: ,: i po " . City of Seal Beach Environmental Quality Control Board Minutes of May 20. 1997 The regularly scheduled Environmental Quality Control Board (EQCB) meeting was called to order by Chairman Voce at 6:34 p.m. in City Council Chambers. The meeting began with the Salute to the Flag.1 Roll Call Present: Mario Voce, Chairman Boardmembers Rosenman, Christ, McGuire, Hurley Also Present: Department of Development Services Lee Whittenberg, Director Craig Steele, Assistant City Attorney Barry Curtis, Associate Planner AGENDA APPROVAL MOTION by Hurley; SECOND by Christ to approve the Agenda as presented. . AMENDED MOTION by Rosenman; SECOND by Christ to add ground rules for speaking. (1) People who have not spoken before will be asked to speak first. (2) People who will speak ten minutes or less are asked to speak first. After that it will be at the pleasure of the EQCB. Before the vote the following discussion on speaking took place. Boardmember Rosenman proposed speakers be limited to ten (10) minutes with preference given to those who haven't yet spoken. He requested Board input. Boardmember McGuire said at the end of the last meeting three persons raised their hands but could not testify. She thought it was important if a person was speaking about the DEIR and making valid comments based on research that a ten-minute time limit would not work. She felt the entire comment should be heard. .~. Boardmember Rosenman noted that several people notified him after the meeting that they had wanted to speak but could not because they felt the testimony would be lengthy and they could not wait that long. He suggested a forty-minute period for new speakers who could conform to that ten-minute time limitation. If other persons had more lengthy comments they could speak after that. Boardmember Rosenman expressed his concern about cutting out the public. I 1 The PlaIUling Department secretary traIl scribed tllese Minutes from all audiotape of this meeting. ... City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20,1997 ... ..~ . Boardmember McGuire praised Chairman Voce for his control of the last EQCB meeting. He had good judgment on who spoke and how long they spoke. Boardmember Hurley suggested the Board try a ten-minute speaking period. If a person was not finished, there could be a period after everyone else had spoken and then they would have a second chance. Boardmember Rosenman agreed. Chairman Voce said there would be a ten-minute limit for first time speakers. Persons who need to go over ten minutes need to stop and continue later. Boardmember Rosenman said the Board got into problems at the last meeting because no expectations were announced. To keep this an orderly proceeding, there needs to be an expectation on the floor. Another way of doing this would be to give preference to those persons who have not previously spoken. Boardmember McGuire said she could agree to that. But noted that with a small amount of speakers she thought a show of hands might be wise. Boardmember Christ agreed with Boardmember Rosenman. Basic ground rules for time limits would be good. The short addressees should go first. . Boardmember Rosenman said summarized testimony is more coherent than long, written presentation. He felt the "meat" of issues could be gotten in ten minutes. Boardmember McGuire said that during the last testimony some specifics were brought out that she took notes on. Her concern was that in the documents they have now certain testimony is not included -- for example, Mrs. Hahn's comments. She was concerned that if the Board does not hear comments verbally when will the Board get it in written form? Boardmember Rosenman said it would be before they make their final determination in the EIR. Boardmember Rosenman asked Director Whittenberg for assistance on this matter. Boardmember Rosenman reviewed his concerns on persons not being able to speak. .' Mr. Whittenberg said it's a Committee decision on how to proceed. The City Council has a 5-minute time limit. If someone has a lengthy comment, they will ask that person to return at the second comment period and finish then. Or, you could ask people who have not spoken before to come forward the first time who think they could keep their comments to less than ten minutes and do those first. Once you've heard from those persons you can go on to people who have more lengthy comments. 2 of 28 ~ City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20,1997 ., '.. . Boardmember Rosenman asked for clarification that written testimony submitted into the Record has equal weight with oral testimony. Mr. Whittenberg said yes. Mr. Steele said the purpose of the meeting is to put together a full, final document, rather than to influence the EQCB as decision-makers. This is an opportunity to give their comments orally. However, when people have prepared written comments it is just as effective to submit those comments in writing. They could also highlight those comments orally. The City will respond to every comment that raises an issue under CEQA. Boardmember McGuire said she was very interested in what the public has to say. If she was to make a motion she would trust Mario Voce's judgment. Boardmember Rosenman, acknowledging the Chair, felt this public hearing should have the appearance of a uniform operating procedure. To trust someone's judgement on the proceedings has the possibility of being arbitrary and capricious. He wants to avoid that. Chairman Voce called for the amendment to the motion to be repeated. . MOTION CARRIED: AYES: NOES: ABSTAIN: ABSENT: 5-0-0 Rosenman, Christ, Voce, McGuire, Hurley o Vote to approve the agenda: MOTION CARRIED: AYES: NOES: ABSTAIN: ABSENT: 5-0-0 Rosenman, Christ, Voce, McGuire, Hurley ORAL COMMUNICATIONS There were none. CONSENT CALENDAR There were no items on the Consent Calendar. . 3 of 28 .., :;. . . . City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 PUBLIC HEARING 1. Review and Receipt of Public Comments Hellman Ranch Specific Plan Draft Environmental Impact Report (DE/R) Disclaimer on Site Visits Boardmember Rosenman went on record that Members Hurley and Rosenman visited the subject site along with Dave Bartlett and Mike Mitchell, Wildlife biologist and manager of the Naval Weapons Station National Refuge. They looked at the degraded wetlands and basically looked at the land involved. Boardmember Christ indicated he had toured the property this evening with Dave Bartlett and Jerry Tone. Chairman Voce said he toured the property on May 12'h with a group of citizens. They toured an area of the property toward Seal Beach Boulevard and the northeast end of Gum Grove Park. This was 1 ~ hours at most. Public Hearino Purpose of this Meetino Mr. Whittenberg said the purpose of this EQCB meeting is to receive public comments regarding the adequacy of the information presented in the DEIR. Once a city circulates an EIR for public comments there is a 45-day comment period. During that time copies of the EIR are submitted to a number of State, County and local agencies. It's also available for review at local libraries and City Hall. During the 45-day comment period people should make comments to the City on the adequacy of the information in the document, the correctness of the information in the document, to discuss the alternatives -- are those a reasonable range of alternatives to be considered for the project, and to provide comments on the proposed mitigation measures set forth in the EIR. The thing that would be most helpful to staff and the consultants is that when people do make comments on the EIR that those comments are directed to the sufficiency of the document, identifying and analyzing possible significant environmental effects and how those can be avoided or mitigated. Comments are most helpful when they disclose additional possible impacts that have not been identified in the document, additional alternatives that would be reasonable to consider or additional mitigation measures that have not been proposed in the document at this point. Persons commenting should explain the factual basis for their comments 4 of 28 .. City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 ~ ';. . and, whenever possible, the submission of data or references to support those comments would be appreciated by staff. The purpose of this meeting is not to discuss whether this project is good, bad or indifferent. Citizen comments on how they view the project and whether it should or should not be denied will be discussed at Planning Commission public hearings at a later time. Tonight comments will be received on environmental issues. The FEIR will come back to the EQCB for a final review and recommendation to the Planning Commission on whether or not, in the EQCB's opinion, the document meets the adequacy requirements under CEQA. He did not know at this time when that meeting would be held but indicated it would be noticed in the newspaper. Chairman Voce, indicating the EQCB has until May 2th to make comments on this document, asked if the Planning Commission had an established meeting time on this? . Mr. Whittenberg said no. First, portions of the document will have to be recirculated for additional public comments. Nothing can be scheduled until that process is completed. The EQCB will have to hold another public meeting on the recirculated portions of the DEIR. Boardmember Rosenman stated some people are confused about the archaeological component of the DEIR as it relates to the EIR and in terms of the archaeological findings and the Cultural Resources section of the DEIR. Who will be doing the site work and when does that information get into the public record? . Mr. Whittenberg said there are two different tracks going through the City's processes right now regarding archaeological resources on the Hellman Ranch. The process the EQCB is dealing with is the EIR process, which is an evaluation of current knowledge that is known about the site. This includes what the cultural resources on the site are, how significant the project would be on those resources, and proposed mitigation measures to evaluation those. A second process is going on where the City has hired an archaeology-consulting firm to prepare a research design and conduct actual field investigations on the property. That firm is KEA Environmental from San Diego. They were selected by the City Council and contracts are almost completed. A Notice to Proceed will soon be issued for them to begin preparing a Research Design. The Research Design will summarize all the known history of the site regarding cultural resources. They will evaluate all the existing documentation, including Dr. Stickel's work. The Research Design will set forth how KEA will proceed with the actual field investigation of the site itself. The City's 5 of 28 .. City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 ,... . Archaeological Advisory Committee (MC) will review it, by the City Council, and the Coastal Commission. It must be approved by the City Council and Coastal Commission prior to any actual field investigation work being done on the property. ~ Boardmember Rosenman asked how new information, if found on the site, would get into the EIR? Mr. Whittenberg said that information would enter the process after an EIR has been considered. The Research Design may be completed prior to project consideration at the Planning Commission and City Council level. Unless a project were approved that would involve future disturbance of the site, there is no need to do any investigation of the site. Boardmember Hurley asked if there would be a public comment period on the FEIR? Mr. Whittenberg said no, there is no comment period on the FEIR before the EQCB. The FEIR is incorporated with the public hearing package that the Planning Commission will have when they are considering the project. At the time of that public hearing people can comment on the FEIR. . Ken Kroft * Crestview Avenue. Seal Beach Mr. Kroft said he did not get a chance to speak at that last EQCB meeting and wanted a chance to speak now. Most of the last meeting was about archaeological and Indian issues. While valid issues, he thought there were other issues, like the environmental quality of this plan, to be discussed. He felt it's probably a good plan as it balances the needs of Seal Beach and he supports it. He suggested hearing from those who (1) have not spoken before and (2) those persons who live in Seal Beach. He felt the archaeological considerations should be presented before the MC. Wendy Morris * Crestview Avenue. Seal Beach Ms. Morris said this plan is an enormous improvement over any plans the City has seen for this site and is probably the best plan the City will get. . When she reviewed the DEIR it was difficult for her to figure out the exact hydrology, especially where the new slope will be behind the homes on Crestview Avenue. Dave Bartlett provided her with illustrations to help her in figuring out what it would look like. She wanted to be certain this was in the Record that the new slope which will be existing between the homes on Crestview and the new bluff homes that no part of that slope will be greater than a 2 to 1 ratio. She was quite concerned with erosion. There is no erosion problem currently but there is no steep slope there currently. This should be included in the EIR. That no part of the slope to be created 6 of 28 ~- . . . .. City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 is greater than 2 to 1. If an erosion problem does occur, how will it be dealt with? Who will be responsible for it? , Regarding the height of the proposed homes, currently there is a 37' maximum height allowance. Right now the homes on Marina Hill are allowed a 25' height maximum. She would like to see the EIR contain the maximum height for the new homes be 25' --- the same maximum height for the Hill. The extension of the emergency road in Gum Grove Park is not adequately shown in the DEIR that the extension of the emergency road in Gum Grove Park will go through to the cul-de-sac in the new home development. It's not on the map. She was concerned with where this road will go and how flat it will be. The golf course will incorporate the flat area of Gum Grove Park. She was concerned that this being the only flat area of Gum Grove Park, she didn't want to see the only part given to the Park be a steep 2 to 1 slope. She would like to see some almost-flat area given to the Park in mitigation. The drainage from the homes on Crestview Avenue which back to the bluff area of the Hellman Ranch now partially drain to the Hellman Ranch site. There is no way the half of her back yard could drain anywhere else but the Hellman site because she has a retaining wall that is 14' tall. The slope is a 14' differential. There is no way to drain her bottom yard to Crestview Avenue. She would like to make sure there is an adequate drainage easement allowed for these Crestview homes. In the buffer area, which has not yet been designated for sure whether it's a buffer or an extension of Gum Grove Park, she would like to see this area dedicated to the City as an extension of Gum Grove Park with no entry from Seal Beach Boulevard. It would not be good to have an entry to the Park from Seal Beach Boulevard. Mr. Whittenberg asked for clarification. Was it to extend Gum Grove Park to Seal Beach Boulevard and not to have an entry from Seal Beach Boulevard? Mrs. Morris said yes. Not necessarily to Seal Beach Boulevard but most of the way to Seal Beach Boulevard. So that if the back yard fencing of most of the new homes would extend to the property line of the homes along Crestview Avenue. It was her understanding that there would be quite a large setback from Seal Beach Boulevard to the back property line of the new homes. She wouldn't want to see Gum Grove Park all the way to Seal Beach Boulevard but at the point where the new home's property lines stop is where she'd like to see it. 7 of 28 ., City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 "- . She was not happy with the newly proposed road to the golf course. " Boardmember Hurley interrupted saying Ms. Morris' last comment and this one do not pertain to the DEIR. Boardmember Rosenman said there's a potential impact. Boardmember Hurley said Ms. Morris must make the connection. Ms. Morris said the connection between the extension of Gum Grove Park and the DEIR is that it doesn't address that issue. It says it will be a buffer zone. What does that buffer zone mean? Does that mean it's going to be the Park? Will the Homeowners Association control it? Will there be access for anyone? For the new homeowners? For the old homeowners? She thought that was an environmental impact. Boardmember Rosenman reminded her that her other comment was a public safety concern in terms of access to Seal Beach Boulevard. . Ms. Morris said there was no parking along Seal Beach Boulevard. That is why she didn't think people would be entering the park from that direction. She had safety concerns about the road, saying it is not safe to have another road so close to Adolpho Lopez Drive and Forestall Drive, especially if a left turn is allowed from Seal Beach Blvd. to this road or vice versa. She felt if people are coming from the 405 Freeway and want to go to the golf course they are not going to go the extra block past Lopez Drive to turn right into the golf course. But those people who have come this way, when they want to return home, if they go out this new road which she didn't believe would be a safe area for them to turn left back onto Seal Beach Boulevard to go back to the 405 Freeway. Conversely, people coming up Seal Beach Boulevard from Pacific Coast Highway, it would not be safe for them to turn left at this new street. They may need a signal at this new street if there is enough traffic. Yet there is a signal at Forestall and a signal before Lopez for entry into Boeing. This is too close for so many signals. The developer could save money by beautifying Lopez Drive and not creating another street. Terry Restivo * American Indian Movement Ms. Restivo said she came in support of the American Indian Movement in support of the first people of this land. She asked why just Seal Beach residents were allowed to speak? Who is funding the Seal Beach project? Funds come from the State, the County, the Federal Government. Boardmember Rosenman interrupted. . Chairman Voce said he could not allow people to speak out of turn because it becomes very difficult for the recording secretary to determine 8 of 28 .. City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 . who is depositing what comment --- especially when they're out of turn. It covers up what is being said. Ms. Restivo continued saying her second question was to the City Attorney and Director Whittenberg. She asked them to give an explanation on what CEQA is all about and what the Environmental Quality Assurance Program is all about. What that entails and what the laws are. It could be a short, understandable synopsis. This is the place where you talk about your water mitigation, your mineral mitigation, your ecosystem mitigation etc. She would like to be able to speak after all the ten-minute speakers are done as she has other questions. She said we are all here to have a good discussion, not a shouting match. The fights have to stop now. She would appreciate that and felt the Elders would also. Boardmember Rosenman said Mr. Whittenberg had overhead projection slides, which covered CEQA in depth. The subject was covered at the last meeting. This material is available. . Mr. Whittenberg said the purpose of this meeting is not for this Board to respond to questions from the public. The purpose of the meeting is for the public to give the City comments regarding information in the DEIR. We're not here to answer why something is or is not in the document. If you feel there is information that you know of which should be in the DEIR we need to know that. The basic purpose of an EIR is to disclose to the best ability the City can the potential impacts a project would have on areas of environmental concern. The document is very lengthy. Staff feels it addresses every area that CEQA requires a city to consider. The one issue you will not find in an EIR is fiscal impacts. The fiscal impacts will be considered by the City Council. They are not land use decisions. Ms. Restivo said she understood that. She asked "If you can't ask your questions here, how can you give your comments?" Mr. Whittenberg advised her that she should give comments on what else she thinks needs to be in the document. He asked her if she had read the DEIR? Ms. Restive said yes. Mr. Whittenberg said she should then be able just to give the City comments on what is missing. Chairman Voce asked if it was valid to ask a question on the EIR for an answer or do you have to do it as a statement? Mr. Steele said a comment could be in the form of a question or a statement. . 9 of 28 City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 A_ . Member Rosenman said the answer would appear in the written comments not during the session. Ms. Restivo said she would like to speak again at the end of the meeting. Chairman Voce said that would be fine. Lori Craia * Surf Place Ms. Craig said she represented a lot of people in Seal Beach who are not here right now because they are with their families and "It's a difficult time and place to give information". Ms. Craig said low density housing is extremely important for this community because the schools are terribly overcrowded. Additionally, it is positive to have 70% open space as it does something for the earth, for ecology. We are restoring wetlands. Boardmember Rosenman asked if there was something the DEIR does not address? Ms. Craig said there should be a note which says that "If you drive on PCH through Huntington Beach, Corona del Mar and see what can happen to homes being built to excess. We have an environmental responsibility in our community". She would like this whole process to move ahead so we can get to a final EIR and get professionals doing the archaeological studies. . Euaene Ruyle * Professor of Anthropoloay * Cal State Lona Beach Mr. Ruyle said he does not live in Seal Beach but passes through it frequently. He asked if the archaeologist Nancy DeSautels would be at any of the meetings to answer comments? Mr. Whittenberg said at the Archaeology Advisory Committee meeting last week it was indicated that Ms. DeSautels would not be present at any meetings. The purpose of the current meetings is to receive comments on the DEIR and not to enter into a discussion on what was or was not written in the DEIR. Mr. Ruyle said he attended the EQCB meeting last week but did not have a chance to speak. He delivered a letter from Dr. Chester King. He also heard the comments of Dr. Diana Wilson. These are two experts in this field. He began by endorsing ... . Boardmember Rosenman interrupted asking Mr. Steele a question. The Chair said he was getting tired of the Board interrupting speakers. It slows us down. Member Rosenman said it was his understanding that except . 10of28 City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20. 1997 . for the issue of Cultural Resources, the archaeology is not on the table in the EQCB's consideration of this document. Was this correct? Mr. Steele said the entire DEIR is on the table for public comment. However the City would prefer that the archaeology issues be discussed before the MC that meets tomorrow night. But by the charge of this board, all of the issues are before it. . Mr. Ruyle said section K and G of CEQA need to be addressed in the DEIR. It does not mention the problem of impacts which will happen to ethnic communities --- their resources, buildings et cetera. This is closely connected with the archaeology. He spoke to the MC about current trends in archaeology. He delivered "Digging for Dollars", an article from the LA Times about the sorry state of archaeological excavations and contract archaeology in Southern California. He intends to deliver "Archaeology and the First Americans" which deals with the current thinking among current archaeologists. He felt it was very important to use current technology and to consult with living Native Americans. His understanding is there are living Native Americans who grew up on the Hellman Ranch and who live in this vacinity. They have not been consulted in terms of their interpretations of certain materials and their own oral histories. These things must be included or the EIR will always be incomplete. The EIR has to address the impact of this project on ethnic communities. Over one hundred native peoples have come before various boards and committees in Seal Beach to express their concerns about Pavunga East, one of the most sacred places of the Gabrielino Indians. "When we see these areas being destroyed and being .,. simply disrespected, this has an impact, a continuing impact, on living Native Americans. And I think this impact has to be addressed in the EIR". Boardmember Rosenman asked what kind of impacts would occur if the project were constructed or what mitigations might be needed? . Mr. Ruyle said if you look at the last few hundred years of American history you can see the kinds of impacts that have been put upon Native Americans. We kind of think this is something that has gone on in the past. We see that it is continuing to go on. Recent cartoons in the local newspaper that disrespected Native Americans that had stereotypes of Native Americans. And I think when Native Americans look at these projects they will see the history is still with us. The past is present. And I think that will have a very negative impact on Native children growing up, the views of white people and the majority of society has toward Indians. And the past, as understood by Indians. Scott Sink * Yorba Linda Mr. Sink said the language in the EIR is very slanted, deceptive and inaccurate. For example. it refers to the wetlands as "degraded" but it 11 of 28 City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 . doesn't explain what that means or how they came to be degraded. In contrast, they use the slanted word "restore" but they don't explain how building a golf course around the degraded wetlands will somehow restore them. That needs to be addressed. Gordon Shanks * 215 Surf Place. Seal Beach Mr. Shanks said this project would not overcome what John Wayne and a number of movies have done over the years to the Native Americans. He said he didn't know where the Indians were ten years ago when this site had a project proposal from Ponderosa. And about eight years ago the Mola Development Co. was going to build all over the acreage and he wondered where the Indians were then? Things become popular and now this project seems to be of great interest. He suggested the Native Americans submit written comments to the City. Boardmember Rosenman asked if Mr. Shanks had any areas where areas were missing from the DEIR? Mr. Shanks said he has only looked at the archaeology section as he was on vacation. He did say he felt this was a great plan. . Marilvn HastinQs * Seal Beach Ms. Hastings asked whether the archaeological firm, KEA, has had the opportunity to prepare the Research Design? Mr. Whittenberg said no, they are still working on their contract with the City and getting the necessary insurance. This is not an EIR issue. Ms. Hastings said she was listening and understood the concerns with the archaeology and felt the concerns might be premature in as much as the archaeologist has not been hired. It would be even nicer to have the information at hand to consider. ReQ Clewlev * 945 Catalina Avenue. Seal Beach Mr. Clewley said a "nasty line drive" would impede the known flight path of the Great Blue Heron and the Egret as they come in for a landing. Where the golf course holes are could be better broken into a couple of chip shots to protect the birds from the flight of the golf balls. They are at significant risk. "They do not respond to the call of fore!" The Heron is at great risk of being injured or killed. [He then showed areas on the map. Comments could not be heard off-microphone). . Lillian Valenzuela Robles * Juanieno/Hashiman Elder Ms. Robles reminded the EQCB that "Ten years ago, twenty years ago, one hundred years ago the Indians have been so submerged (sic) that they have been afraid. Many became Mexicans because you could shoot 120f28 0- City of Seal Beach · EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 . Indians and get away with it. In order to survive, we denied that we were Indians... And again, I want you people to understand what we've gone through. And I want you to understand that when you develop these lands -- I'm not against development. But what I'm appalled at is the secrecy and how you destroy things and don't even consult us. That's what's painful. And I'd appeal to Mr. Tone. I wanted to go out and pray on the site. And Mr. Whittenberg said I could go pray on Gum Grove Park --- that's where people take their dogs. You know what dogs do in the park. And I was insulted. I was really offended. And now what I'm here for ---I think there were 500 bags of artifacts that were removed by LSA --- and I'm questioning that from Mr. Whittenberg. And he told me to contact LSA and I did. I contacted LSA -- what happened to those artifacts? That's part of our history. It isn't that we're against development but we're against the way developers treat our history and destroy our history. And to me Mother Earth is like a book. And you come with a skip loader and you go over it and destroy some of the things, some of the artifacts, some of the shells. It's like ripping out a page of our history. And this history just doesn't belong to the Native people. It belongs to the Californians. It belongs to the world. We have a wonderful history. We were able to live at peace and not destroy our sites. We took care of our land. And we were blessed by living in beautiful California where we didn't even have to wear clothes. And we didn't become as fierce as the plains Indians because we had no enemies. We could fish. We could hunt. We could live in peace. And when we had wars we had singing wars. We could insult each other and after we had insulted everybody we wanted to insult then we had a fiesta. That's how we settled our arguments. But I want to know what happened to -- I talked to LSA and they had to give back those 500 bags of artifacts and things. Did the Native people get to look at them? I want to ask publicly, Mr. Tone, does your family have those? No? Well then I say where in the heck are they? I'm upset. The City of Seal Beach is responsible for those. That's part of our history. That's part of our California history". . Boardmember McGuire said she had a question directly related to the DEIR. One of the things the City can do is look at different mitigation measures. She totally empathized with Ms. Robles. Ms. Robles said, "I want those studied ... . To me they've been hidden or destroyed. That's criminal. I want those artifacts studied so they can tell us". Boardmember Rosenman said Mrs. Robles should let Member McGuire get her idea out. . 13 of 28 -. City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 ~" . Boardmember McGuire asked Mrs. Robles what type of mitigation would she feel would be appropriate in accommodating this type of development? Ms. Robles said you have to have respect for their spirituality and the respect they have for their land and culture. We have to have honest archaeologist study. Not somebody that's going to listen to the developer. We've seen it at Bolsa Chica and Newport, "I would like to see credible people that are studying, that are honest. Not the Nancy DeSautels of the archaeology. I would like to see somebody that's honest and has respect for us. And if there's a house that's on a burial site, well then change the design. If there are burial sites there then make it a green space. Let us work with you. That's what we would like to do. Treat our ancestors, burial sites, grave goods and artifacts - the things they found are grinding stones and all those other things --- don't hide them from us. Let us study them. Let us hold them in our hand. Let us feel a part of our past. That hasn't really happened". . Member McGuire said let's go to a point where Ms. Robles feels there's a good archaeologist on the project, and they find more skeletons. She asked if Ms. Robles would find it appropriate to have a dignified reburial on the site somewhere? Ms. Robles said "We would like to see them remain, in a green space over them. Not even dig them up. See, that's disrespectful to us. This is the point. If you work with us we can solve these problems. But when you ignore us, and that's what's been happening, they may not like it but it's the truth. There's a few people who work with the developers ... the developers are always going to call those same people because they know they'll play ball with them. Some of us will try to save our sites and work with the developers. But our sites have to be protected and not bulldozed and hidden from us. See, that's what happened at Bolsa Chica and it happened at Ora-64. And it leaves us with a terrible taste in our mouth. And it hurts us and it makes us angry. But it hurts our spirit and that's why I'm here tonight. I wasn't going to speak but somebody has to speak for the land. And somebody has to speak for the people. And I want you to know how we feel. And today we're more articulate. Today we know our rights. And so I appeal to you. Mr. Whittenberg, you haven't called the Native Americans in to get their opinion. In fact, you've ignored them and ignored me. And not that I'm important. I just stand up here as a representative of my people. And I would like to see a new day come to these coastal cities where they will call the Elder in, and they will call and get an opinion. Not just the ones that make it in the headlines as playing ball with the developers. I realize that we're not going to be able to stop this". . Member Rosenman said one of the things she's suggesting about the document at hand, is that she would like a section on the oral history 140f28 .- City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 . investigation regarding the site with better documentation about what you know or other Indians know to have been on this site. Ms. Robles said they should deal with live Indians. RECESS The EQCB took a recess from 7:55 to 8:00 p.m. First-Time Speakers Karen Mikkelson * Surf Place Ms. Mikkelson said she supports the project as a positive step towards the environment. The DEIR is adequate. Tom Dutton * Seal Beach Mr. Dutton supports the project and the DEIR as it stands to rehabilitate the coastal salt marsh, dedicating Gum Grove to the City, et cetera. Joanne Levin * 1525 Crestview, Seal Beach Ms. Levin said she supported this project 100%. . Perry Watson * Seal Beach Mr. Watson said he supported this project and was enthused at having a golf course. He appreciated everyone's hard work. Damon Swank * Crestview, Seal Beach Mr. Swank said this is an outstanding plan. He is a long-time resident who has been through the Ponderosa and Mola proposals. The DEIR is adequate. This is the best we can do. Mr. Whittenberg introduced a letter handed to him from Gary and Terri Meyers * Crestview, Seal Beach This letter will be entered into the record and noted it will go into the Response to Comments. Carla Watson * 1635 Catalina Avenue, Seal Beach Ms. Watson said she has been a City resident for 32 years. She said she is very empathetic with Native American affairs. She finds the Gum Grove Park a spiritual place. She sees it as an urban forest, a place of refuge. It's a part of the heart of Seal Beach. As far as she can tell to date, this is the best use for this land. She does not doubt the sincerity of this group. She feels they are listening to what people are saying. . Cecilia (No last name Qiven) * California This first-time speaker did not give her last name when asked by the Chair to clarify her name. She gave her residence as California. She said "I am 150f28 City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 . a native. We are a turtle clan. We come up and down the coast. We've been here a thousand years before Christ ...". Cecilia expressed concerns about impacts on coyote and fox families that live on the site. She felt people don't take the time to look and there are all sorts of species that are over-looked. She said a golf course is not a natural habitat and she was concerned over where these animals would go. She felt they should have a space to live. Cecilia spoke about the loss of previously discovered artifacts. A building should have been set up so everyone could have seen these artifacts, not just the Native Americans. There is an endless amount of valuable items that are missing. "Someone's got to be responsible. You people allowed this to happen. Someone has to know where they disappeared to". Member McGuire said there would be a cultural center devoted to Native Americans. . Cecilia said, "We don't live in a building. Our things are supposed to be in the ground. We feel. We didn't write books. We feel. We took our shoes off, we laid on the ground and we felt the spirit. We taught our children to feel, to observe, to see. Not read a book. So if we can compromise, yes, a building would be nice and you can put all the stuff in a building. But our children - all the children - black, white, whatever --- are not. So when they don't have a little place to go where you don't' have to scream at them... a little place to go where they can feel, and they see a bird And they can dig in the ground -- that's what you're losing. Besides our artifacts. You're losing it for all the children -- that there's no place they can go. Gum Grove is beautiful because you know it's safe to let a child run. That's what's sacred to us. That our children can be children ...". Member McGuire asked about specifics, a building. If Cecilia says she wants a "small place" what would she consider a little place to touch? Cecilia said she would have a hard time with that. "My grandfather was polite and we have nothing. What would I consider? Enough so a child can run free. Okay? You've got a big old golf course. What space is adequate? That's not for me to say because I don't have the money in my pocket to like make that decision... consider a baseball field ... I don't have the money in my pocket to determine an area that's sufficient for these children to learn. A building's better than nothing. It's not what I'd like. It's not what's natural to us. But it's better than seeing our stuff go to Europe, go in somebody's home, go in somebody's pocket and be lost to everyone. But you've got to have an area of land for the people to pray. You've got to." . 16 of 28 City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 . Member Rosenman said if there were a certain amount of open space that would help improve the quality of the EIR on this project. Cecilia said yes it would --- for everyone. For the animals you're not addressing. For the little people you're not addressing. "I've asked Mr. Whittenberg if he'd let me on that land and he said give me your number and "II call you. And "ve never heard from him and , still come here. And I don't cause any problems. I sit here and listen. Don't ignore it. We've already been polite and we've got nothing. Now let's work together and save it for everybody's children to see". Member McGuire said that this wouldn't be dedicated to the Indian nation but would be open space for everyone? Cecilia said "We've welcomed everybody. We welcome black, we welcome white. We invited everybody to share. The California Indians are like the children of the land. They welcomed everybody... we've never done anything just for us. I'm Chumash. We've always mixed. This land they don't consider Chumash land but we're kissing cousins and better than that to all the Natives on this side... we were the ones killed off, we didn't kill you. We're the only un-warring nation around I'm sorry to say sometimes". . Frances Goodwin * Crestview. Seal Beach Ms. Goodwin said she is a 30 year resident of Seal Beach. She reminded the EQCB that this sort of thing happened in Greece. They didn't save the land around the site, even when they began to save the site. When they found artifacts many people broke them up or forgot to tell about them. She mentioned development in Montana and how those people regret what they did to the Indians. The following people were second-time speakers: . Moira Hahn * Seal Beach Ms. Hahn submitted a 19-page critique of the DEIR with 18 attachments. Her comments related to archaeological resources on the project site. Her conclusion on the adequacy of the data presented by SRS is that "It's worthless because it abbreviates, perverses and otherwise misrepresents the conclusions of previous researchers. And it leaves out most of what people in the City know about burials and features on the development site. [Chairman Voce left the room]. I believe the City should omit SRS contributions because they are either poorly researched or represent a bad faith effort to disclose the facts pertaining to archaeological impacts on the proposed Hellman Ranch, creating liability for the City under CEQA. The City MC and members of the City Council selected KEA Archaeology to do the field work on the Hellman project. I question why 17 of 28 City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 . KEA has not also been permitted to write the DEIR chapter. I'd like to respectfully ask the members of the EQCB to read my critique and review it in the attachments, thoroughly, thoughtfully and carefully before making a recommendation to the Planning Commission and the City Council. Thank you". Boardmember Rosenman stated he was acting-Chair at the moment. Chairman Voce returned. Terri Restivo * American Indian Movement. Oranae County Chapter Ms. Restivo said she listened to the good words of the Chumash people and the Elder from the Juanieno people. She thinks those are the things we really need to listen to. . Ms. Restivo said a nature park, a small cultural center where all children can go and learn about their culture and/or the Native American culture and an educational center - when they need to talk, when they want to talk and when they can talk. All children of the world must be educated. "We also have to speak to the education of and about not just the two- leggeds, but the four-legged, the winged ones, the water ones, the stone people, the crawlers - all of the people on this land, all of the habitation. The standing people or the trees. The plants --- let's get some native plants all the way back in there. Let's show the people what California really looked like in the beginning ... we've over-developed it far too long. And so why put more concrete in and use more herbicides and pesticides to mitigate this land and also to mitigate the inhabitants of that land and including the winged ones who are the birds of prey - who will eat the small animals that roam that land and again ingest herbicides and pesticides." She felt there was a major portion of significant impacts. Ms. Restivo asked how we teach our children that we're not "throwaway people"? When we're totally ignored? When we don't have any place we call our own? When our people are being taken away from us? When our "cemeteries" are bulldozed and those people are gone? And parts of them are put here and parts of them are put wherever. What are you telling your children? That's it's okay to mitigate us as a people? That's a huge impact. When was the last time the City's residents talked to the Native Americans? She could not remember such a time. When was the last time the people in this room walked that land collectively? To see what's out there. She said "Let us have our spiritual centers where we can go to pray...". She urged everyone to work together for all the children and their future. . Tom Dutton * 405 Surf Place Mr. Dutton said the DEIR is very supportive of the environmental protection of this land. The Hellman's have been wonderful neighbors. 180f28 City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 . The Hellman's had to fence the property off. He has prayed out there himself -- prayed that the Hellman's decided not to build condos. He has prayed that others could have the ability to view the wildlife he has - from gaggles of migrating Geese to the giant Heron.. Mr. Dutton felt public access is an important part of the DEIR. He felt interpretive centers would hold any artifacts and would provide our children with knowledge of the area. Also, he liked restoration of the salt marsh and the installation of fresh water wetlands. Gum Grove Park will become a part of the City -- which it is not now. Oil production is not environmentally sensitive and now it will be cleaned up. Every time it rains the oil will not be rinsing down. The golf course will have everything separated by buffer zones from the wetlands. He loves the plans and doesn't want to see anything else happen there. Carla Watson * Seal Beach She wished the Native Americans could have been stronger earlier. She wished they could have been present to help the citizens save the green belt area. She wishes they could have been here during previous hearings to save open space. She wanted the Native Americans to know that the citizens of Seal Beach feel as they do and carry their concerns in their hearts. She would love to see the mustard flowers bloom again. . With no other persons wishing to speak, the Chair closed the Public Hearings at 8:40 p.m. Boardmember Comments Member Rosenman made the following comments on the DEIR: 1. How to address soil treatment for wetland restoration plan. There is potential controversy regarding restoring flora and fauna and the best way to do it. You could plant individual plants and hope things come back or, you can scoop out larger chunks that would include the microorganisms, bacteria etc. This would more likely create a positive restoration. It would make this project more acceptable if we used a more modern remediation plan. We should consult with the resident biologist on the Naval Weapons Station. 2. Cultural Resources This issue needs to be addressed in more detail. The issues must be more clearly defined and addressed. The plan should indicate that it may be revised due to future cultural resource investigations. 3. Drainaqe and Access Issues The DEIR needs to flag the fact that this is a work in progress. . 19 of 28 . City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 4. Oearaded Wetlands Loss The plan should show that restoration will result in a temporary loss of degraded wetlands during restoration process. While the restoration process is going on there won't be much greenery out there. The Naval Weapons Station biologist indicated this is an accepted process given the devastation of what's out there. Boardmember Hurlev Boardmember Hurley made the following comments on the OIER: . 1. Saltwater Wetlands - Impact of San Gabriel River Mr. Hurley said the issue of the questionable quality of the San Gabriel River water used to provide flushing action in the salt water wetlands is not addressed in the OEIR anywhere. In view of the frequent reports of unsafe water at the river's mouth, it's not unreasonable to expect this draft to provide the reader with substantial, factual information on why this water is suitable for flushing the wetlands. 2. Appendix O. Paae 15 If the bottom of the sub-tidal area is minus four feet mean sea level and muted tidal change is 1.9 feet, how will there be any flushing of the sub-tidal area below the -1 foot? This is not self-evident to the average reader. 3. Coolina Channel In Appendix 0, page 17, Section 5.3.1 the first paragraph on the San Gabriel River covers the temperature of the water in the San Gabriel River. But, on pages 19 - 20, Section 5.3.2, there is no mention of the water temperature of the water in the cooling channel. It needs to be addressed and included. 4. Appendix O. Paae 30 In the discussion of the culvert maintenance, there appears to be an inconsistency between the recommended semi-annual inspections and "obstructions are to be removed immediately". If there are only semi-annual inspections the obstructions could be there quite awhile before they are discovered. 5, . Alternatives - Table 7-2 Mr. Hurley said he found two errors in Table 7-2. You will find under the "No Project" column where it talks about air quality it indicates Level 3 of impact but in the text on page 7-7 it's not anything like that. There is a conflict and I think it should be 1. At Hazards line, the proposed project is Level 2 and the existing 20 of 28 . . City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 General Plan is level 1 but in the text, on page 7-14, it says that the hazards would be essentially the same as under the proposed project. So the numbers shown for either the proposed project or the General Plan needs to be changed. 6. Paoe 7-3 - Reiection of Commercial Alternative The justification in the draft for the rejection of this alternative is inadequate. For the other rejected alternatives the draft cites specific environmental shortcomings for each. But for this alternatives the draft simply reviews history, the year 1990, including reasons that a "differently constituted" City Council used to reject it. The justification for rejecting the commercial alternative should be based at least on an updated comparison of impacts with the impacts of the proposed project. 7. Alternative NO.3 Regarding CEQA, Mr. Hurley read the definition of "alternative". He said under the definition of "alternatives" alternative #3 is not an alternative in accordance with CEQA guidelines. The FEIR should not include this alternative. It would have worse environmental impacts on 9 of the subject areas covered and similar impacts on 7 of the areas and does not "avoid or substantially lessen one or more of the significant effects" as required by CEQA. Therefore, alternative #3 should not be included in the DEIR or FEIR. 8. Cultural Resources - Table 1-2. P. 17. Item CR-8 and Appendix J There's a problem in this section because there was no discussion of resource recovery or disposition of artifacts found at important archaeology sites. The reader is left to wonder what happens to them. 9. Table 1-2. Paoe 24. N-4 Regarding mitigation measure N-4 it might be useful to review the definition of "mitigation measure" in the CEQA guidelines of 1992. According to CEQA this N-4 is not mitigation and it is misleading to put such statement in the list of mitigation measures. What is needed here is this statement "No mitigation is possible". If, for some reason, you want the existing irrelevant information at this place in the DEIR you should precede it with a disclaimer. For example: "Note - While the following are not mitigation measures, they are commitments by the developer in dealing with this matter". 1 O. Cultural Resources - Table 1-2 - CR-3 and CR-4 At page 15, there is no explanation of the basis for determining that 7 sites are important and 4 sites are not. It's just stated that that's how it is. At CR-3 have the surveys been thorough enough to . 21 of 28 City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20,1997 - I identify the particular category or kind --- such as religious - of the sites on the property? Or are they just identifying archaeological significant sites? This would be helpful to the average reader. . 11. Soils. GeoloQV and Mineral Resources Page 5-100 at the bottom paragraph where the explanation of the likelihood of subsidence on parts of the property is covered. All it says is that there hasn't been any subsidence. Does the absence of past subsidence preclude any future subsidence and if so why? Boardmember Christ Boardmember Christ said the members of the public who spoke tonight expressed his concerns; he thanked them. Boardmember McGuire Boardmember McGuire said most of her comments would be submitted in writing to Director Whittenberg for inclusion and response. She had a question for P&D Technologies. When looking at monitoring measures for wetlands she asked if it was appropriate to have a group of citizens to act as monitors for that instead of the Director of Development Services? . Mr. Whittenberg said from a practical standpoint probably not. There's a basic process for monitoring as related to the restoration of salt water and fresh water wetlands. The City would be responsible to retain a certified biologist in those fields to monitor the replanting programs, to ensure that the goals set forth in the wetlands restoration plan are met. If not met, they will have to work with the project developer to go back and do some additional planting et cetera. Those responsibilities would be set forth in a future development agreement. The monitors of wetlands restoration must be certified to meet Army Corps of Engineer requirements et cetera. It can't just be an individual or group. Mr. Steele said there's the issue of enforcement authority to consider. We don't have the enforcement authority in an appointed group in the same way we do in public employees and in elected officials. You have several entities who have enforcement authority over various aspects of this project - and they are all public agencies. This would not be possible with a volunteer group of citizens. We need to make certain that the things which are set out in the various documents actually happen. . Member McGuire first stated that she understood the aspect of certain qualifications being needed and then asked if there would be a possibility to have an oversight group? She said her concern was "where the wetlands that may be hit or miss --- we'll know in 3 to 5 years -- and it's a wonderful project in relation to the wetlands. The concern of course is the San Gabriel River. And when the 22 of 28 City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 . . biologist was here, and I wish Chris [Webb] was here this evening. He's given me a lot of information over the past week. My concern, as I read more, was in five years if this wetlands doesn't take, okay --- ... if we have citizens that are working in conjunction with the monitoring committee there will be better communication in the City in regards with the wetlands. My ultimate concern is that after five years this wetland doesn't run with the golf course. We're looking for some other unknown entity to take care of it. That's a real big concern of mine because as I called around to agencies that I thought might be interested they all told me they had no money. So one of my suggestions is that I'd like this wetlands to run with the golf course - whoever owns it that's their responsibility. But in regards (sic) to that -- and I understand you need the expertise but it's always nice to have the checks and balances of interested residents. So, is that a possibility? To have an oversight committee?" . Mr. Steele said the City does have an oversight committee --- it's the Planning Commission and the City Council. If the project is approved, there will be "dozens and dozens" of conditions that are imposed on the various aspects of the project. Those are discretionary permits, things like a subdivision map and a CUP. There will be a lot of permitting actions taken by the City as an agency and also by the various resource agencies that will have conditions attached. From the City's perspective, we have the Planning Commission and the City Council who have the authority to enforce those conditions. If three to five years down the line those bodies recognize some condition is not being met they can bring the developer back in and gain compliance. That's the system. At some point the City Council may decide to have "a body like this" look at particular issues but the existing system that is in place is for the enforcement of those conditions by the City Council and the Planning Commission. Mr. Whittenberg said that particularly for wetlands restoration, there will also be permits from the California Coastal Commission and the Army Corps of Engineers. In some cases, they will have much more specific monitoring and maintenance requirements that the City would impose. The Chair asked Boardmember McGuire if those were her concluding remarks. She answered affirmatively. . Boardmember Rosenman was recognized by the Chair. He asked to speak about the cultural/interpretive center. He said that in talking with several agencies, including the representative from the Federal Wildlife Refuge, he found there are "some plans afoot up and down the coast for Bolsa Chica, possibly the Back Bay, possibly this project, the Naval Weapons Station wetlands. I think we're going to need all of those sites, to sort of get involved in one of these decisions. Do we have a variety of half-backed, penny scooping displays or do we centralize this some place and do a better job of it. I'm surfacing this issue now so no one gets too locked into a particular piece of hard concrete or building on any particular site. I'd like to see us, the City, explore this with the relevant 23 of 28 City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20. 1997 . people up and down the coast so we can have an adequately staffed. adequately funded facility. Possibly with computerized animation. And the things that you can do when you aggregate budgets that we're just not going to be able to do as a stand-alone project... I think Craig, I'm going to disagree with your analysis just a tad. Historically, our Planning Commissioners have been planning to look at mortar and bricks issues. And whether it's a joint committee of the Planning Commission with EQCB -- somewhere we're going to need to capture the expertise of folks who are looking at the wildlife and the ecosystems, rather than at the bricks and mortar -- or we're going to have a defective monitoring system. So I don't think we have to reach closure on it but I think this is the thrust of what Donna and I are both trying to get at". Mr. Steele said that what he and Mr. Whittenberg were trying to get at was that in many cases those issues are issues that are in the jurisdiction of the resource agencies, and not necessarily in the jurisdiction of the City of Seal Beach. Member Rosenman said someone at the City may have to be the one who yells and screams to get the agency to start doing their job. Mr. Steele repeated that from an enforcement perspective. it may be a resource agency who has to deal with it, and not the City. . Chairman Voce Chairman Voce made the following comments on the DEIR: 1. Drainaoe Line at Gum Grove Park Periphery Adiacent to Golf Course The DEIR has a map showing the hydrology for the golf course. And there are certain drainage patterns for the golf course. One of those runs along/near the periphery of Gum Grove Park. With the insertion of a drainage line we need to know how it will effect the landscaping there. What kind of grading can be expected? What restrictions will we have over that land. This line is toward the northeast side and probably runs right outside the fence for Gum Grove Park at the golf course side. When they lay a pipe like this what can be planted above it? Will it effect the contour of the land? 2. Landscape Manaoement Plan Regarding pesticide and herbicide use, do we have a sample schedule of what is typical in use and what methods are being used so we know when we use generic terms like "pesticides" and "herbicides" what we're really talking about chemically, biologically, botanically or otherwise. 3. B1.5 - Mitioation Measures Removal of current plant life or surface envasive species. There's talk of a skim method recommended and the possible use of herbicides. It would be helpful to know which herbicide they have in mind or which class or . 24 of 28 . . 8. . City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 group as an alternative to the skim method. He said his personal experience is the skim method is more successful because you're removing an entire layer that's filled with stollens, seeds and bulb roots that an herbicide may not be completely effective on. 4. 87.1 - Clarify Methods of Enforcement He asked for further definition of the suggested "appropriate means of enforcing" for domestic animal intrusion. What kinds of methods will be used? 5. GEO 1.8 Topsoil vs. Lower "Organically rich layers". Could these be used in the landscape area fill rather than disposed of? 80th are mentioned here. He assumed that when they discussed "organically rich layers" they were talking about organically rich topsoil. If so, that would best be used in the areas to be landscaped in deference to subdivision clay, if deemed appropriate. 6. N-1 - Adequate Mitiaation Measures in Liaht of Various Helicopter Fliaht Paths. Does this mitigation adequately satisfy noise mitigation from helicopter operations over the residential areas? This would be the windows and the ventilation system. He noticed that in the helicopter flight plan there is two of them --- there's a site monitoring 4 and a site monitoring 5. And the helicopters can actually take two approaches. One has a variation depending on weather and load. We need to know more about the one that hovers closest to the proposed project site - especially with regard to mitigation. 7. Paae 5-41 - Macadam Impacts on Wildlife A couple of years ago some ground up macadam was laid as an emergency vehicle road into Gum Grove Park. It runs along the periphery. It is noted in the DEIR that certain amphibians weren't found in certain fresh water areas. He knows that this is an area that previously did have seasonal ponds with fresh water runoff from rain and collected ground water. Then the macadam was laid that precluded biological life from being able to reproduce. This included frogs, salamanders, fresh water amphibians and waterfowl. This may be a factor in the DEIR of why nothing was found there. It's conceivable if the macadam is removed, and that seasonal pond bed is allowed to go back to mud and vegetation that the biological chains that were there will re-establish themselves. Table 5-7 - Osprey Nest There is mention of Osprey's. There may have been an Osprey nest observed and noted on the property and the DEIR needs to reflect if that's still there or not. Investigate the possibility of an Osprey nest in one of the structures. 25 of 28 City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 , . 9. Paae 5-54 Phvsical Separation of Golf Course and Wetlands This mentions a physically separated golf course from salt-water wetlands. When we say "physical" do we mean hydrological separation? If you were walking, you could technically walk over, on the berm and down into the wetland. It seems that if you could walk to one place to another that that doesn't represent a true physical barrier. Perhaps we're talking about a hydrological barrier and then a berm-type physical barrier. Please articulate. 10. Paae 5-54 Pollutants Here we look at flood runoff. This is for phenomenal year floods where the golf course could be temporarily inundated for a few days until it drains. We need to discover if that runoff could contain pollutants from the runoff because of chemical uses. 11. Fiaure 5-21 How will existing oil production parcels affect future use of this land in terms of land use? Regarding the future use of current oil production areas when oil production is stopped, how can the future use of these converted parcels be expected to affect the current proposal/application. . 12. Artifacts We need to ascertain the location of the 700 bags of archaeological artifacts deemed missing. This concluded his remarks. Chairman Voce stated he will submit any subsequent comments in writing. This concludes the EQCS's concerns regarding Agenda item #6. SCHEDULED MATTERS There were no Scheduled Matters. STAFF CONCERNS Mr. Whittenberg advised the audience the comment period on this document runs to May 27, 1997 at 6:00 p.m. Any additional written comments re the DEIR should be presented by that date and time. Portions of the DEIR will be re- circulated for an additional 45-day comment period. Mr. Whittenberg addressed the concern regarding Native American involvement in the selection process for KEA Environmental to do the archaeological work on the Hellman property. The City started an interview process with a number of . firms. An issue was raised during the interview process that the Native 26 of 28 City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 . Americans were not involved in the process. In fact, a City sub-committee was appointed by the City Council included a Native American member. The City went through a first round of interviews and that person was present at those interviews. The concern was raised and staff contacted the Native American Heritage Commission, They provided the City a list of 7 or 8 Native American contacts which they felt would be reasonable to be involved in the interview process. The City contacted those individuals by letter. One of the persons on the list made his time available and he interviewed the final two firms before the final selection was made by the City Council. So there was an attempt to involve Native Americans in the interview process. Regarding the use of Gum Grove Park for religious activities that Native Americans may wish to conduct, staff did send a letter to Lillian Robles. This letter was provided to the EQCB. The letter said the City cannot force the property owner, the Hellman family, to make the property available. The Native Americans would need to contact the Hellman family if they wished to get on to the non-public portions of the property. Gum Grove Park, as a public facility is open and available. The City suggested contacting the Recreation Department regarding this matter. . Regarding KEA's involvement in this process is different from preparing an EIR document. Their involvement will be to prepare a Research Design document. Part of the preparation will include a fairly extensive outreach program to Native Americans to involve them in the process. This will get the oral history and address concerns of Native Americans in this area. This will be incorporated into the Research Design and the investigation of the site. Member McGuire asked about the person appointed to the interview panel, asking if it was the Chairperson? Mr. Whittenberg replied that the representative that was on the interview panel is not the Chairperson. There are two Native Americans on the AAC. The Chairperson is Jean Freitze. Another member is Sonia Johnston, who is the member who served on the interview panel. Member McGuire asked if one member of the AAC was a monitor for Nancy DeSautels? Is that a conflict of interest? Mr. Whittenberg said to his knowledge neither of the AAC members has been a monitor for that firm. . Someone asked if Member McGuire meant a "monitor" or did she mean "associate" or "employee"? Member McGuire said she meant a "monitor" and someone who was paid -- which would make them an employee once they're paid. She said she was wondering because she was running across things and names are matching up. Mr. Whittenberg said "We don't get involved in what particular aspects these Native Americans who serve on our Committee may be doing outside the confines of the City of Seal Beach. That's not our responsibility". Member McGuire asked if there was a correlation would that be a conflict of interest? Mr. Whittenberg said no, because the AAC was not involved 27 of 28 . . . City of Seal Beach * EQCB Meeting of May 20, 1997 in the selection of SRS to prepare the document before this group. Member McGuire said her concern was that if you're hired by someone, it's difficult to dot the "I's" and cross the liT's" in a document that your employer has written. Mr. Whittenberg said if that is a concern, staff will discuss that with the two members of the committee because I can see where it might be a potential conflict of interest. Member McGuire said she would appreciate staff checking this out. BOARD CONCERNS Member Rosenman asked staff who wrote this document? Mr. Whittenberg said P&D wrote the EIR. SRS wrote the technical appendix document, which is the Cultural Resources report. Member Rosenman said "this is now water over the dam". In the benefit of hindsight, the two firms were commended to us and it's rendered in that spirit as being sensitive to community concerns and so on. I frankly am appalled that this particular archaeologist was used. You set us up --- verdantly or inadvertently for conflict that this community did not need. And I am disappointed. Thank you." Chairman Voce indicated there is an AAC meeting in the Council Chambers tomorrow night at 5:30 p.m. It's a public comment period on the DEIR. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at 9:33 p.m. Respectfully Submitted: h:. (L.. : Joan IlImann, xecutive Secretary Department of Development Services Attachments: 1. 2. Letter from Gary and Terri Myers dated 5/20/97 19 Page Critique by Moira Hahn with 18 attachments. NOTE: These Minutes are tentative until approved by the EQCB. APPROVAL: These Minutes were approved by the EQCB on 1997. 28 of 28 ~ MAY 20,1997 TO: ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CONTROL BOARD CITY OF SEAL BEACH GARY AND TERRI MYERS -lJ 1lL /1 )Ie, 1733 CRESTVIEW AVE., SEAL BEACH FROM: SUBJECT: HELLMAN RANCH SPECIFIC PLAN DRAFT EIR AFTER REVIEWING THE CURRENT HELLMAN RANCH SPECIFIC PLAN, WE WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS FOR THE RECORD. FIRST, WE WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT, OVERALL, WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THE CURRENT HELLMAN RANCH SPECIFIC PLAN, WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTIONS: 1. IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE HELLMAN PLAN CALLS FOR A HEIGHT LIMIT FOR THE PROPOSED NEW HOMES OF 37 FEET. WE ARE AGAINST SUCH A HEIGHT LIMIT FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS: - SUCH TALL BUll..DINGS WOULD ELIMINATE OUR CURRENT LOVELY MOUNTAIN VIEWS AND, THEREBY, LOWER OUR PROPERTY VALUES - ALL THE EXISTING HOUSES ON THE HILL ARE LIMITED TO A 25 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT AND WE FEEL THE NEW HOMES SHOULD BE IN PARITY WITH THE EXISTING IDLL HOMES. . 2. IT APPEARS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN WE WERE SHOWN BY THE HELLMAN COMPANY SOME MONTHS AGO. AT THAT TIME IT WAS PRESENTED TO US THAT THE HELLMAN PROPERTY DlRECTI.. Y BEIDND OUR RESIDENCE (AT LEAST UP TO THEIR CURRENT CHAINLINK FENCE) WOULD BECOME A CONTINUATION OF GUM GROVE PARK ALL THE WAY TO SEAL BEACH BOULEVARD - WE ARE IN FAVOR OF TInS -AND THAT THE NEW HOUSES WOULD BE SET BACK MUCH FARTHER FROM THE EXISTING BORDER BETWEEN THE HELLMAN PROPERTY AND THE EXISTING PROPERTIES ALONG CRESTVIEW A VENUE, NOW, THE PROPOSED SETBACK IS CONSIDERABLY SHORTER. WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THE FARTHER SETBACK. WE UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR THE PROPOSED SHORTENED SETBACK IS THAT HELLMAN'S CURRENT PLAN CALLS FOR THE CREATION OF A NEW STREET ENTRANCE TO THE PROPOSED GOLF COURSE DIRECTLY OFF OF SEAL BEACH BLVD. INSTEAD OF HAVING THE GOLF COURSE ENTRANCE ON LOPEZ DRIVE. IT IS OUR SINCERE BELIEF THAT THE CITY OF SEAL BEACH DOES NOT NEED ANOTHER STREET FEEDING ON AND OFF SEAL BEACH BLVD. IF A NEW STREET WAS TO BE ADDED OFF OF SEAL BEACH BLVD, AS PROPOSED BY THE HELLMAN PLAN, THERE WOULD BE LOPEZ DRIVE, THEN A FEW HUNDRED FEET LATER ANOTHER STREET FOR THE GOLF COURSE AND THEN A FEW HUNDRED FEET LATER THERE IS THE NEW STREET ENTRANCE TO THE NEW HOUSES AND THE NAVAL STATION. WE DO NOT WANT TO EVEN IMAGINE WHAT A MESS THAT WOULD BE. . . IF THE PROPOSED NEW GOLF COURSE ROAD IS ELIMINATED, THEN THE GREENBELT SETBACK BETWEEN THE NEW AND EXISTING HOUSES COULD BE WIDENED ALLOWING MORE SPACE FOR THE NEW SLOPE, WInCH WOULD BE MUCH SAFER AND MUCH MORE STABLE AND BE OF BENEFIT TO BOTH THE NEW AND EXISTING HOMEOWNERS, ( , l~D'" --... To: The City of Seal Beach From: Moira Hahn, Seal Beach resident and former member of the Seal Beach Archaeological Advisory Committee Date: May 20, 1997 Subject: DEIR for the Hellman Development Project, (1) Cultural Resource Information and Recommendations, written by Scientific Resource Surveys, Incorporated (SRS) (2) Proposed Hellman Ranch Driving Range described at April 2, 1997 Meeting at Mary Wilson Library $"-Zo-if7 '"gL fa- 7C Q '-3 ~-:f,,~ . B hereby object to approval of ihe project in it's present form. The following (Comments and all references contained therein are hereby incorporated unto ~he official record of proceedings of this project and it's successors. (~RC 21177(b).) I have not had adequate time to prepare a full listing of the inadequacies of this DE/R, and I intend to submit further comments to the City prior to the close of the 45 day review period for the DE/R. The following comments are prefaced by the site number for each landing Hill Site, CA-Ora-1~3/2G5 lLH-10) SRS' description does not include the following information about Ora 143/265: ( Army Corps of Engineers' Archaeologist Dr. Clay Singer's Site Record for 1431265' states that: "burials were reported, but few if any remain." This important observation is not noted in SRS' B'evie~. SRS omits reference in it's artifact inventory in Table 3 (page 31) to the following artifacts that are noted on PCAS II Archaeological Site Survey Record" dated 19643.4: 1, an effigy (subsurface; this is not the Pelican stone that was found on the sUrface) 2. several steatite bowl sections found subsurface, in the unit with the effigy (this is not the steatite bowl reported by SRS as a surface find by Redwine) 3. points5 I Archaeological Site Survey Record for CA-Ora- J 43/265, October 24. 1965, on fiJe with the Seal Beach Planning Dept., one page 2 Cultural Resource Assessment of the Hellman Ranch, Seal Beach, California, Nancy Whitney Desautels, f,24. under the heading 'Human B'one' On file with the Planning Department, Seal Beach City Hall 4 this site record document is referenced by SRS on page 31 , SRS Table 3 reports 'points', but Table 4 inaccurately indicates only 1 point was found there . 4. drills 5. metate sections 6. maul 7. debitage (chert, basalt, quartz, jasper, obsidian) In it's inventory table (p.31), SRS does not refer to the following artifacts that are noted on Archaeologist Clay Singer's 1965 Archaeological Site Survey Record of 143/2656,7: 1. ground stone 2. olivella shell bead 3. flaked chert No reference is made by SRS to a steatite beadfound at this site, referred to by Archaeological Associates (AA)8 and Pacific Coast Archaeological Society (PCAS)9. Steatite beads are very rare. Archaeological Associates refers to 12 millingstones and two 'abra~ers' (not to be confused with 2 scrapers SRS noted, which are also listed by AA ) that were found in the site during four separate investigations (Redwine, PCAS, SCAS, Singer) 10. No millingstones or abraders are listed in SRS' inventory table. , The artifacts Redwine's crew observed at 143/265 were described in great detail by Redwine, and underrepresented in number and detail by SRS. For example: The 'unusual, well made chalcedony point (2" x 1 3/8" x 1/8")' and an 'obsidian concave-based point fragment' referenced by Redwine11 represent unusual materials for this area (chert points were more common than chalcedony or obsidian) and long distance procurement patterns (obsidian)are not apparent from SRS' distilled description (as follows): '1 point,12 The chalcedony point appears on PCAS 4/30/69 Site Survey Record13as well as . 'Archaeological Site Survey Record for CA-0ra-1431265, October 24, 1965, on file with the Seal Beach Planning Dept. one page 7 SRS references this document on page 31 ofit's 1997 repon · "Archaeological Survey Repon: The HeUman Property in Seal Beach, CA", Archaeological Associates (AA), Carol Colquehoun, January 16, 1980, page3, paragraph 4 9 Mitchell and McKinney, 1979 (cited in AA repon by Colquehoun) 10 "Archaeological Survey Repon: The HeUman Propert}' in Seal Beach, CA", Archaeological Associates (AA), Carol Colquehoun, January 16, 1980, page3, paragraph 4 11 Landing Hill Manuscript, Peter Redwine, 1958, paget 1, Seal Beach Baseline #A5-10, on file at Seal Beach City Hall, p.12 12 Cultural Resource Assessment of the Hellman Ranch, Seal Beach, California; SRS, March J997 Revision, E 39, Table 4, Anifacts Recovered by JP Redwine from Excavations on Hellman Ranch 3 PCAS Site Survey Document is referenced by SRS on page 31 , in Redwine's manuscript, but does not appear in SRS' descriptions for the current DEJR. SRS' description of what Redwine described as a 'fragment of a rectangular white siltstone incised tablet bearing a diagonally cross hatched pattern on both sides and similar to burial artifacts found in Malaga Cove in Redondo Beach, Chatsworth,14 and the Fairview site in Costa Mesa15 is limited to two words: 'oncised stone', This does not sufficiently inform the uninitiated reader of the rarity and cultural context of the artifact. Regarding the manos (hand stones used for seed grinding from about 8,000 years ago to about 2,000 years ag016) found by Redwine at this site, SRS' failure to describe the IIlllLlmber ('12,}17, condition ('7 intact,S fragmentary'), lithic composition ('granitic and volcanic rock, multi-colored fine grained quartzoid'), 6hape ('round, ovoid, rectangu/oid'), lYsage! number of grinding surfaces (Redwine divided them into five categories: I-A. Uniface- Cobbles, I-B. Uniface- ShaDed, I-C. Uniface-Wedae, II-A. Biface-Cobb/e , II-B. Biface -Shaped; four are noted to have battered ends from tertiary uses) does not enhance our comprehension of the site's occupational history. SRS states that site Ora-265 was 'destroyed by the construction of Rockwell,18. Site Ora-265 has not been proven to have been destroyed. PCAS believed this site covered approximately ten acres 19. Large quantities of marine shell species exploited by Native Americans can still be seen on the Boeing (formerly Rockwell) property, particularly in the open Uield (across Adolpho Lopez Drive from the Seal Beach City Yard and the Seal Beach Animal Care Center) where the Hellman Project Driving Range has been planned. ( . I have not been able to find any reference to the Driving Range in the DEIR for this project. If it's not there, the DEIR is defective on grounds beyond SRS' 14 Landing Hill Manuscript, Peter Redwine, 1958, page12, Seal Beach Baseline #AS-I0, on file at Seal Beach City Hall 15 Report on Investigations to Delineate Site Boundaries and Further Characterize Cultural Remains at CA- Ora-58, Costa Mesa, California; Henry Koerper, August 1993, p. 20-24, Pacific Coast ArchaeolOgical Society (PeAS; QrNzrvrly, Winter 1996 . 16 Dr. Chester King, Archaeologist, telephone conversation with Hahn, May 17, 1997 17 the number appears in Table 4 on page 39. but it's difficult for a reader to process infonnation presented in a piecemeal fashion II Cultural Resource Assessment ofthe Hellman Ranch, Seal Beach, California, Nancy Whitney Desautels, ~. 30, paragraph 3 9 PCAS Site Record for CA-Ora-143126S, dated 1964, recorded by McKiMey 1 . Cultural Resources AssessmenUMitigation Recommendations. 'Phased Projects' are not permitted by CECA. Everything pertaining to environmental effects caused by this project (in it's entirety) must be disclosed in good faith in this DEIR. Because Ora-265 is believed to be located to the north of the development site, recent archaeological investigators hired to assess projects proposed for the Hellman Ranch pursuant to CECA have neither looked for 265 nor studied it. Redwine's crew was not permitted to excavate 265. His maps and conclusions regarding the site's boundaries were based entirely on surface indications. Southern California Archaeological Society (SCAS) is the only party known to have excavated at the site, between 1961-6321. . CA-Ora-256 CLH-1) SRS' report for the DEIR omits ERA's estimated size for this site. ERA22 stated that the site covers 9500 square meters, more than twice the size estimated by Redwine and about 14 times the size estimated by . Archaeological Associates23. In 'Table 3,24, Desautels states that surface artifacts are 'unknown'. Documents in the City's possession (presumably transferred to SRS by the City's Director of Development Services) provide information concerning artifacts found at this location. ERA found the following artifacts on the surface on May 22 and 23, 199625: 1. possible obsidian 2. chert flake 3. possible ground stone 4. shaped tile (?) . 21 PCAS Site Record for CA-Ora-143/26S, dated 1964, recorded by McKiMey. It is noted that new tenants, pan of the HeUman tamily, did not agree to let PeAS investigate the sites; SCAS bad received permission the prior year from the previous tenants. 22 .An Archaeological Site Survey of the Hellman Ranch, City Of Seal Beach, California Table 3b. Tabular Comparison of Site Size Estimates for the Gum Grove Park Sites and LH-12. ERA96a:44 23 this table is attached to my critique 24 Cultural Resource Assessment of the Hellman Ranch, Seal Beach, California, Nancy Whitney Desautels, p. 31, Table 3, "History of Archaeological Surface and Subsurface Investigations on Hellman Ranch and Adjacent Archaeological Sites" 2.5 ERA catalogue of Surface Finds (by site/area) , June, 1996, page I, attached to this critique 4 CA-Ora-257 CLH-2) SRS' report omits ERA's estimated size 10r ~his site. IERA26 stated that the ~ite covers 2570 $quara meters27. Archaeological Associates28 describes this site as having contained many more artifacts, burnt bone and shell, and a firepit. CA-Ora-258 (lH-3) SRS' report omits EM's estimated $ize fior ~his $iae. \CRAB ~Ul~edl that the ~ite covers 2580 squa~ mewrs30. 11 out of 34 pages of Redwine's manuscript contain highly detailed, specific descriptions of artifacts and a feature found in this site; most of the information has been either inadequately represented or left out by ~RS. for example: 1. SRS limits it's description (in itable 3) of a hearth feature Redwine described as such to: 'six rocCfsF31.32. Any DEIR reader who did not have access to Redwine's manuscript would be unlikely to realise that the 'six rocks' were arranged around burned bones and shell... SRS could similarly mislead the public by describing Stonehenge as 'twenty one big rocks'. 2. Asphaltum mending on the sandstone bowl Redwine found is not described. 3. The blades and points Redwine discovered were fancy; Franciscan banded chert and white chert, one point was green chert, another milky quartzite, another (stemmed leaf bodied point) was made of the semicrystaline white portion of Franciscan banded chert; SRS numbers but does not otherwise describe the points. 26 .An Archaeological Site Survey of the HeUman Ranch, City Of Seal Beach, California Table 3b- Tabular Comparison of Site Size Estimates for the Gum Grove Park Sites and LH-12., ERA96a:44, attached 27 this table is attached to my critique 28 "Archaeological Survey Report: The Hellman Property in Seal Beach, CA", Archaeological Associates(AA), Carol Colquehoun, January 16, 1980, page 1-2 29 .An Archaeological Site Survey of the HeUman Ranch, City OfSea1 Beach, California Table 3b- Tabular Comparison of Site Size Estimates for the Gum Grove Park Sites and LH-12, ERA96a:44, attached 30 this table is attached to my critique 31 Landing Hill Manuscript, Peter Redwine, 1958, page J J, Seal Beach Baseline IIAS- J 0, on file at Seal Beach City HaJ~ p23 32 Cultural Resource Assessment of the Hellman Ranch, Seal Beach, California, Nancy Whitney Desautels, p. 3J~32, Table 3,History of Archaeological Surface and Subsurface Investigations on Hellman Ranch and Adjacent Archaeological Sites 'i . . . 4. Debitage33 discovered here included obsidian, indicating long distance trade patterns. SRS does type the rock. . 5, The 60 manos discovered in this site were divided by Redwine into six distinct categories, based on shape and wear surfaces; at least 33% appear to have been discovered or excavated intact. None of this appears in SRS' report. A possible ground stone fragment found on this site by ERA34 on June 25,1996 is not mentioned. CA-Ora-259 (LH4) SRS' report omits ERA's estimated size for this site. ERA35 stated that the site covers 9700 square meters. On page 23, SRS notes that archaeological sites Ora-259, 262, and 265 appear to no longer exist. This conjecture is clearly not based on the underlying data. Archaeological Associates (1980) and ERA (1996) site maps show that both Ora- 259 and 262 still remain. Faunal (bone) data from this site36 is not included in SRS' description. The site record form and the Redwine manuscript state that gopher bones, a bird bone, and a 'large unidentified long bone fragment' were found at this site. Given the number of burials discovered in these sites, such data should not be deleted from SRS' study. CA-Ora-260 (LH-5) SRS' report omits ERA's estimated size for this site. ERA37 stated that the site covers 27,745 square meters, more than 3 times the size estimated by Redwine. and about 4 times the size estimated by Archaeological Associates. . 33 'debitage' is the flakes left over from carving points and other stone artifacts and tools, SRS calls it .chipping waste'. J4 ERA catalogue 0 f Surface Finds (bv site/area) , June, 1996, page I, attached 35 .An Archaeological Site Survey of the Hellman Ranch, City Of Seal Beach, California Table 3b Tabular Comparison of Site Size Estimates for the Gum Grove Park Sites and LH-12. attached 36 PCAS Site Survey record, 4/30/69, line 30. 37 .An Archaeological Site Survey of the Hellman Ranch, City Of Seal Beach, California Table 3a" Tabular Comparison of Site Size Estimates for the Eastern Sector Sites, ERA96a'43 31 this table is attached to my critique " the following Redwin~ artifacts that LSA Archaeologist Elizabeth Padon viewed at the Los Angeles Museum of Natural History (LSA 1990:21,2239) were omitted from SRS' artifact inventory table: 1) bowl fragments (two made from well indurated sandstone, one from granitic rock, and one from steatite) 2) chert tools (including a tabular shaped chert core) 3) the dis~1 end of an obsidian biface point40 4) a pIano scraper made from sandstone 5) intact manos (3 granitic, 1 well indurated sandstone; 2 of them bifacially worked, two of them unifacially worked) 6) a bell shaped pestle 7) a possible butchered bone (midsection of faunal long bone) 8) a chert/quartzite flake catalogued as a 'knife' 9) a metavolcanic hammerstone 10) a groundstone fragment that was extremely fire affected. making it difficult to identify the material type Desautels also omits reference to the only artifact her own ~irm reported that it found at this site during it's 1981 investigation41, an elongated, rectangular millingstone with a 'pecked and shaped' bottom, discovered below the surface, at a depth of 40 cm42, From SRS' description (SRS 81 :7) and that of Clevenger (Ogden 93:2-38), this large artifact appears to have been discovered ontalct No information is provided as to it's current disposition. :S9 a document that SRS reviewed in preparation for drafting it's March 1997 study (SRS 97 Bibliography, P 60) 40 the presence of obsidian and steatite indicate long distance and maritime cultural trade patterns. the deletion of this specific daia prevents us from understanding this point. 41 'unit TI, 16'; Archaeological Test Report on The Hellman Property Located In the City of Seal Beach, California (Tract 11302],SRS, August 1981, p.7, para.3 42 table 3 lists a 'mortar fragment' having been found subsurface by SRS during its trenching investigation, but a mortar is Dot the same as a millingstone. Mortars and pestles are likely to have represented a later period of occupation (millingstones and manos were used thousands of years before the 'oak horizon', when monus and pestles begap t~ be used to grind leached acorns into cereal) The report cited (SRS81 :7) says it was a millinptone, does Dot state the find was fragmentnry 7 . No reference exists in Desautels' inventory to the three surface artifacts ERA found on Ora-260 on May 21, '96, described in ERA's catalogue "Surface Finds (by site/area)"(ERA 96: 1) as: 1, a possible metate fragment, 2. a flaked quartz fragment, 3, an intact granitic mano or discoidal. . LSA may have found the painted pebbles and other materials it's personnel described ,to me (parts of manos and metates, points, beads) there, too. They were digging in that area when I visited the Mola project site on 5/31/90, In LSA archaeologist Beth Padon's testimony before the City Council on 6/11/90, she told the Counci~3 that LSA had completed it's field investigation of sites 260, 260A, and 261, LSA's 260 correlates to the 260 on the map at SCCIC, 260A may be LH-7 (Stickel's LH-11). LSA hand excavated it's units, which undoubtedly accounts for the number and variety of artifacts it discovered there, in comparison to SRS' 1981 backhoe investigation of the same resource, which only revealed one artifact (the millingstone that SRS withholds description 01). As of June 11th 1990, LSA had found 'stone, shell, and bone artifacts and tools', features 'such as hearths and hous. floors', and charred bone. Given the comparatively large surface area of site 260 with relation to the other 2 sites it had excavated prior to June 11th44, it is a reasonable assumption that a proportionate amount of Padon's reported artifacts, materials and features came from site CA-Ora-26045. This important information was left out of SRS' report. Even if Desautels did not have access to the videotape of Padon's testimony, she should have obtained the minutes of the meeting from the City. CA-Ora-261 (lH-6) SRS' report omits ERA's estimated size for this site. ERA" stated that the site covers 9801 square meters, more than 6 times the size estimated by Redwine, and about 12 times the size estimated by Archaeological Associates. . 43 videotape of Pad on testimony at Seal Beach City Council Public Hearing, 6/11190 44 260 is estimated by most researchers at roughly 4 times the size of 261 or 260A 4' According to Desautels' 1997 repan (p.4I, Table S,last line), features are and were also present at sites 258 and 264 ERA archaeologist William Silva noted a feature 8 meten in diameter at Ora-262, in 1996 46 .An Archaeological Site Survey of the Hellman Ranch, City Of Seal Beach, California Table 3a Tabular Comparison of Site Size Estimates for the Eastern Sector Sites.ERA96a'43. Attached R '. . SRS' artifact table does not report ERA artifacts found on Ora-261 on May 21, . 1996. ERA found a chert flake and two historic bottle fragments CA-Ora-262 (LH-7) SRS' report omits ERA's estimated size for this site. ERA.? stated that the site covers 5303 square meters, about 10 times the size estimated by Redwine, and over twice the size estimated by Archaeological Associates: SRS states that this site no longer exists". This statement appears to be false. Archaeological Associates (M) describes Ora 262 (M 1980: 11) as: 'a light shell scatter between the 25 and 32 foot contour levels. It appears to cover 140' x 210'...this description corresponds with what the crew discovered'. SRS, M, and ERA show the site location on each firm's respective site maps, only SRS seemed uncertain if it was still extant. Cottrell and Cooley49 reported that several 5Oaboriginal burials were uncovered here during a grading operation in 1973. What remains unclear is if the skeletons were ever removed. A Public Records Act request51 and a search of 1973 print and microfiche records by staff at the Orange County Coroner's office did not result in the recovery of data concerning the final disposition of the remains. No laws for ancient burials were in place in 1973, and the remains were not found in the course of a professional archaeological investigation. Therefore, they may have been left in place by the utility workers who unexpededly encountered them. SRS reports52 that the skeletons were located there; SRS does not state that the burials were removed from there. Former ERA Archaeologist William Silva notified anthropologist Diana Wilson on 5/17/9753 that a feature, '8 meters in diameter', is present on this site. SRS has not investigated the appearance of 15'-50' wide circles and ellipses in computer enhancements (made by Mr. Silva and Mr. Cibarelli) of recent infra-red aerial photography of the project site, made under Dr. Stickel's direction. This must be done, in order to adequately assess the sites' cultural resources. . 4'I.An Archaeological Site Survey of the Hellman Ranch, City or Seal Beach, California Table 3a' Tabular ComDarison of Site Size Estimates for the Eastern Sector Sites ERA96a'43. Attached to this critique. 41 SRS81:6,7; SRS97:S1 paragraph 2, S3 paragraph 4 · whpon of an Archaeological Resources Survey of. 160 Aae Portion of the Seal Beach National Wildlife Refuge, Seal Beach, California"; April 1980, M, Cottrell and T. Cooley, p,St on file with the Seal Beach Planning Department 50 Webster's Dictionary defines 'several' by IS three or more, but less than many SI made by me in March, 1997 sz SRSI997:24 S3 personal communication with Wilson, 5/17197 q CA-Ora-263 (U=I-8) SRS' report omits ~RA's estimated size Vor ihis site. ERA 64 stated ~.hat t.he Qite covers 26,602 $qjuare meters, more ~han ~ iimes the $ize ~stimated by Redwine, &lbout 3 times 2he size ~stimated by SRS in ~981. &lnd more lliam !S tUmes ihe ~ize ~timated by ArchaeologiCalI A$sociZltes. ~rehaeological Associates(AA) li'eport oV IbllJJrialsg15 (source: f?olice ChieV Steams) found in thh~ $ite fts B'Dot mentioned by SRS. This is a very important omission of data, made more damaging by SRS' failure to report (or c1eany report) human remains reported to have been found at sites 852 and 265, on the project boundary, .and elsewhere on the Hellman Ranch. Surface discoveries oVVlaked jils~r &1nd chert by ~M on June~, 1996 are Deft out oV SRS' ~utjVac~ inventory . CA-Ora-264 {LM-9} SRS omits a description of a shaman's 'steatite ~ucking iube!S7, showed to Redwine by Mr. Cotest a pot hunters8. A similar artifact was uncovered at CA- Ora-58, in Costa Mesa, 8 site loaded with artifacts similar to those exhumed at the Hellman Proj~ct site, including cog stones , crystals, stone balls, charmstones, pelican stones, discoidafs,' steatite and sherr beads.' Ora-58 was divested of 200- 300 ancient burials, mostly by Herman Strandt59tlater by SERA and WPA excavations. ( SRS did not, and shoufd havet provide{d) a de$cription of the medicine pipe, which Redwine described as a 'barrel-shaped pipe of volcanic material that must have once had a reed or bone stem'. This is an important ceremonial artifact. The sucking tube, pipe, Pelican Stone, and cog stone do not appear in SRS' Table 4 (p.39), though they are listed in the Redwine manuscript and (with the laxception ofthe pipe) listed on the PCAS site survey record for Ora-264. The fact that Redwine did not personally excavate these artifacts should not permit SRS /In opportunity to leave them off the record here. This is important information that is listed on State Site Records, has been filed with the State's regional archive, and is documented by Redwine in the Landing Hill manuscript. "'ERA96a:43, attached " "Archaeological Survey Repon: The HeUman Property in Seal Beach, CA". Archaeological Associates LAA), Carol CoIquehoun, January J 6, 1980, page3, paragraph 1 ERA catalogue of Surface finds (by site/area) ,Junet 1996, page It attached 57 a ceremonial tool traditionally used by the shaman to suck disease out of the afflicted .50 Landing Hill Manuscript, Peter Redwine, page '8' 59 an infamous early 20" tentwy pot-hunter who also is !mown to have collected at the Hellman Ranch, according to Redwine (Landing Hill Manuscript, p. 'S t) 10 . CA-Ora-850 SRS' report omits ERA's estimated dimensions for this site, CA-Ora-851 SRS' report omits ERA's estimated dimensions for this sitelO. SRS does not mention the jasper core located by ERA on June 4, 199661 CA-Ora-852 SRS' study excludes data concerning two ancient human skeletons and a decorated artifact excavated from archaeological site CA-Ora-852, on the proposed development site, by Seal Beach residents Mr. Glenn peaseley'2 and Mr. John Butler, in the 1950's. Mr. Peaseley and Mr. Butler excavated the burials and an accompanying steatite artifact with a double snake design engraved in it. The artifact remains in the possession of the son of a friend of Mr. Peaseley's. The son resides in Long Beach. . Mr. Pease ley contacted Dr. Stickel of ERA Archaeology in 1996 to offer his assistance in describing the location where he discovered the materials. The City was informed of this by Dr. Stickel at a meeting of the Archaeological Committee in June of 199663. Neither the City nor SRS has interviewed Mr. Peaseley. SRS' report omits ERA's estimated dimensions for this site. ERA estimates this site covers 42,983 square meters, about 600-700% larger than the estimates provided by AA, SRS, and LSA. SRS' inventory does not cover two artifacts discovered by ERA Archaeology on this site in May and June of 199664. On page 24, SRS creates confusion regarding a tsto~' that a metacarpal was found with a shell and leather wrapping in site CA-Ora-8526 . SRS quotes from Dr. Henry . 60 An Archaeological Site Survey of the Hellman Ranch, City or Seal Beach, California Table 3a' Tabular Comparison of Site Size Estimates for the Eastern Sector Sites. attached 61 ERA catalogue of Surface Finds (by site/area), June, 1996, page 2. attached 62 Mr, Peaseleyts phone number is (562) 596-7858. 63 the meeting attended by City Manager Keith Till and Dr. David Roseman of the EQCB, at which Dr Stickel displayed anifacts his crew had found on the surface of the project site 64 ERA catalogue of Surface Finds (by site/area) t June, 1996. page 2, attached " SRS refers to this site as Ora-263 11 Koerper66. I wrote a letter to Dr. Koerper in response to his comments (regarding a passage in ERA's Research Design that referred to me) on October 8, 1996 that I also submitted to the City Council and to the Archaeological Committee67. I stated that there is a written report about the remains from Ora-852, prepared by Dr. Judy Suchey of the Orange County Coroner's Office. Suchey lists the shell and leather with human bone; she does not differentiate temporal contexts of the items. SRS failed to obtain the record and report the facts, thus creating the illusion no remains were found in this site. I am attaching a copy of the Coroner's report to this critique. CA-lam-2i2 Information conceming a human skull (radio carbon dated to 1,000 years old) found buried north of the mouth of the San Gabriel River, in Seal Beach, CA, in196068; was not provided by SRS, even though the portion of the riverbed where the skull was found forms a boundary of this project site. This burial data was not included in SRS' Table 3 (p.31-32), which covers bordering archaeological sites. ERA 69 and Ogden cited it; SRS should have done so. CA-Ora-298 This site, also known as Hog Island, was occupied at least as long ago as 4,000 years70 and is located on the Seal Beach Naval Weapons Station. It is a small island. Ochre (body paint) was found there in 1993, as well as obsidian, including one large specimen that the Navy's lithic experts could not'source. Hog Island is considered by the Navyts archaeologists to be a very important site, in part because it provides insight into an ancient maritime based trade culture. The State Office of Historic Preservation71 reports that 298 is one of MO landing Hill Ccmplelt (same group as the other Hellman Ranch sites) sites on the Navy property judged eligible for nomination to the National Register by the Navy's archaeologists. It was mot listed in SRS' Table 3 (p.31-32), which does include other landing Hill sites off the proposed development site. I believe, to show a good faith effort to identify the known cultural context that exists around the project, it should have been included in SRS Table 3. Artifacts from Ora-298, which is within about a half mile radius of the proiect site, showed ~ Critique of "A Research Design and Investigation Program for Test Level Evaluations of Archaeological Sites Located on the Hellman Ranch, City ofSea1 Beach, California"t Henry C. Koerper, 9/22/96, p.4-5 67 I will re-submit my letter with this document . 68 A Deeply Buried Human Skull and Recent StratiiT'aphy at the Present Mouth of the San Gabriel River, Seal Beach, California; Sheilagh T. Brooks, Bert L. Conrey and Keith A. Dixon, 1965, illus, 69 ERA Research Design, 11-6-96 rev.t p.29; Ogden Overview of Cultural Resources on the Naval Weapons Station, Seal Beach, California, February 1995 rev., p.2-38, table 2-1 70 Ogden 1993, on file with the Seal Beach Planning Department 71 conversation with Gary Reinoehl, SHPO analyst, May 16t 1997 l' . age and diversity that is thereby not noted in SRS' Table 3. It also suggests a higher likelihood that the sites on the remaining portion of the Hellman Ranch meet the criterion for the National Register, an important distinction in light of the fact that section 106 of the Nationar Historic Preservation Act applies to this project, and CEQA's criterion for determining site Importance is derived in no small part from the Federal standard. CA-Ora-32211118 . This site i~ located on the Seal Beach Naval Weapons Station and is considered by the Navy's archaeologists to be an important site. The State Office of Historic Preservation72reports that it is one of two Landing Hill Complex (same group as the other Hellman Ranch sites) sites on the Navy property judged eligible for nomination to the National Register by the Navyts archaeologists. 322 was believed by the late Mr. Roger Desautels (of SRS) to be part of 260, a site on the proposed development property. It was not listed in SRS' Table 3 (p.31-32), which does include other related sites off the proposed development site. I believe, to show a good faith effort to identify the cultural context that exists around (especially within a one mile radius of) the proposed project site, it should have been on SRS Table 3. Artifacts from 322/1118, which is directly across the street from and was separated from the subject Hellman Ranch sites only by the construction of Seal Beach Boulevard, showed age and diversity that is thereby not noted in SRS' Table 3. It's existence also suggests a higher likelihood that the sites on the remaining portion of the Hellman Ranch may also meet the criterion for inclusion in the National Register. This is an important distinction in light of the fact that section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act applies to this project, and, CEQA's criterion for determining site importance is derived from the Federal standard. CA-Ora-1455 This Landing Hill site across the street from the project site is not referenced in SRS' report or in Table 3.For the reasons I have stated above with reference to sites 298 and 322/1118, I believe SRS should have included it in Table 3 and in the rest of it's study. CA-Ora-1463 This Landing Hill site, across the street from the project site, is not referenced in SRS' report or in Table 3.For the reasons I have stated above with reference to sites 298 and 322/1118, I believe SRS should have included it in Table 3 and in the rest of it's study. . n conversation with Gary Reinoehl, SHPO analyst, May 16, 1997 n CA-Ora-1472 (LH-11) This site was registered with the State Archive (SCCIC at UCLA) by Dr. Stickel. SRS did not state this fact anywhere in it's study for the DEIR. SRS' violation of the City's General Plan by failing to do the 'Search Quick Check' that section 1.C.1.2 of the Archaeological Element requires, and SRS circumvention ofthe Literature Review at UCLA73required by section 1.C.1 of the Element, also resulted in SRS' failure to note new site(s) and site numbers, formally registered with the State, for cultural resources on the Hellman Ranch. CA-Ora-1473 CLH-12) This site was registered with the State Archive (SCCIC at UCLA) by Dr. Stickel. SRS did not mention this fact anywhere in it's study for the DEIR. SRS' violation of the City's General Plan by failing to do the 'Search Quick Check' that section 1.C.1.2 of the Archaeological Element requires, and that SRS circumvention of the Literature Review at UCLA74required by section 1.C.1 of the Element, also resulted in SRS' failure to note new site(s) and site numbers, formally registered with the State, for cultural resources on the Hellman Ranch. No Site Number (Al, Native American Cemetery on Hellman Proiect Site Dr. Leonard Cutuli, a Seal Beach resideneSt provided me with a copy of a hand drawn map of a Native American cemetery, roughly located downhill from and at the bases of sites CA-Ora-264, CA-Ora-263, and CA-Ora-8S2. The map was provided to Dr. Cutuli several years ago by an a5uaintance who had knowledge of multiple graves on the Hellman Ranch property 6. ( The graves are described on the map as 'bodies buried about 24 feet below the surface', between the base of the bluff and a road labeled 'dirt service road for oil field'. The road parallels the San Gabriel River. SRS did not consider this important data in it's assessment of the project site. No Site Number (8). Seal Beach leisure World An ancient human skeleton was discovered on a lower level of the Landing Hill marine terrace77 during the construction of Seal Beach Leisure World, on May 3, 1963. The Police report, Coroner's report, photo, and a word processed draft of the Police/Coroner's reports of this discovery are attached. This information was available to SRS through PCAS78. It belongs in SRS' study. It should be noted 7J telephone conversation with Phylissa Eisentraut, Director of the SCCICt April 15, 1997 74 telephone conversation with Phylissa Eisentraut, Director of the SCCIC, April 15, 1997 7' Dr. CutuJj's work telephone number is (562) 435-5388 76 the map is attached to this critique T1 that used to be pan of the Hellman Ranch 78The History of Archaeology in Orange County, peAS Quarterly, Paul G. Chace, 1965, 1(3) 13 14 . . . that the burial was found at a depth of about 30", 'midway between Bay Boulevard (now Seal Beach Boulevard) and the San Gabriel River'. The elevation was between sea level and 5 feet79t which correlates to information concerning land elevation and burial depth of a Native American cemetery reported by Dr. Cutuli's patient, roughly a mile south of this burial, on the Hellman Ranch proposed development site. This is particularly important because it demonstrates that an extension of the cemetery is likely to exist in the flatlands, as well as on the knolls. No Site Number (~. Hellman Ranch An ancient human skull found on the Hellman Ranch in 1938 was cited in ERA's Research Design for the Hellman project8D. A letter from Gabrielino Indians Vera and Manuel Rocha expressing gratitude to a Seal Beach resident for returning this skull to the Gabrielino tribe was printed in the Seal Beach Journal on June 14, 1990. SRS discounted this information81 because this skull can not yet be proven to have originated on the development site. Given the concentration of human remains found on the project site and it's boundaries (at least 8 recorded burials, several more reported by long time Seal each residents) in comparison to the paucity of burials discovered in surrounding areas off the subject property, the skull is both statistically and ethnographically more likely to have come from the project site, and should be considered to have come from it, until proven otherwise. Additional Comments SRS does not include ethnographic accounts and oral histories from Native and non-Native local people who have knowledge of the Hellman Ranch and it's history. The connection to Puvungna and the Chinigchinich cult suspected by many Native Americans. Archaeologists and Anthropologists has not been investigated. Gloria Carillo, a respeded Juaneno Tribal Elder who contacted City Councilwoman Marilyn Hastings in the early 1990s to acquaint Mrs. Hastings with her extensive knowledge of Seal Beach's early history, was born and raised on the Hellman Ranch. Mrs. Carillo, whose parents and grandfather had also lived and worked on the Ranch, has not been consulted. Mr. Glenn Peaseley and Mr. John Butler excavated two ancient burials and an incised or carved stone artifact, on the project site, in the 1950's. Mr. Peaseley contacted Dr. Stickel of ERA Archaeology in 1996 to offer assistance in pointing out the location where the materials were discovered. The City was informed of '79 I plotted it and the cemetery on a topographic map, from the description of the locations 10 ERA:96, 11-6-96 revision, page 29-30 II Cultural Resource Assessment of the Hellman Ranch, Seal Beach, Ca., Nancy Whitney Desautels, p 24 t~ this communication W Dr. Stickel at a meeting of the Archaeological Committee in mid-June of 1996 . Neither the City nor SRS has interviewed Mr. Peaseley. Dr. Cutuli has not been contacted by the City or SRS about his map. Mrs. Florence Tyler, wife of the late Hellman Ranch foreman, Hubert Tyler, is still alive83 and should be interviewed. In Jean Dorr's book IAA Story of Seal Beach84. t Tyler reminisces that at the Hellman Ranch, 'they walked on shells all over the lawn, must have been an Indian Burial ground'. SRS' Material Culture Table (page 50) is not convincing, considering the amount of artifactual data that SRS contrived to leave off the record for this DEIR, and the fact that features (such as dance floors, hearths, and house foundations) are not considered, ethnographic accounts of the land's usage were not sought, and burials apparently don't count. SRS does not adequately consider faunal data, human or otherwise. Charred deer tibia and other mammal and bird bones found on the sites are likely to represent burial and other ceremonial vestiges85. The DEIR authors fail to take into account extensive local collections in the possession of the Seal Beach Historical Society, Pacific Coast Archaeological Society, local colleges, universities, museums, and residents. By omitting data provided by previous investigations, creating diffiCUlty for the reader in locating/collating the limited data SRS does disclose, and forming conclusions from an inadequate statistical sample, SRS is able to assign unsubstantiated ratings of 'low' to 'moderate' artifact diversity and material culture to impressive cultural resources on sites due to be destroyed by this development. It is not stated in SRS' report that the City must comply with the National Historic Preservation Act (NHPA), section 10686. The Army Corps of Engineers' legal analyst, Ms. Lisa Morales, told me that the Federal law applies to the entire project site. This should have been included in SRS' report and recommendations. NHPA is a stricter cultural resource preservation law than CECA. Staff at the State's Regional Archaeological Archive, the South Central Coastal i~fonnation Center (SCCIC) at UCLA, has indicated that the City should base it's 1I2 the June, 1996 meeting attended by City Manager Keith Till and Mr. David Rosenman of the EQCB, at which Dr. Stickel displayed artifacts his crew had found on the surface of the project site B3 and in her 90's 114 published by the Seal Beach Historic Society, p.43 ~ excerpt from Winterboume and Ashby WPA study of Orange County Burial Sites, p. 26-28, attached; correspondence between Padon, King, and Phillips, attached. 116 telephone conversation with Ms.Lisa Morales of the Army Corps of Engineers, April, 1997 1(\ . conclusions on the most recent professional investigations of the Hellman Ranch, rather than relying on an investigation that was undertaken over forty years ago. The State Office of Historic Preservation (SHPO) does not consider reports over ten years old current: one reason is that the researcher's methodology (transect distances. unit sizes, etc.) must conform to current standards. In summary, this DEIR is flawed and requires extensive expansion and correction. The City should omit SRS' contributions. They are poorly researched and/or represent a bad faith effort to disclose the facts pertaining to archaeological impacts of the Proposed Hellman Ranch Development, creating liability for the City under CECA. . . 17 List of Attachments 1. Orange County Coroner's Office Record #90-3330 RO; describes human remains, shell and leather from site CA-Ora-8S2 on the Hellman Ranch proposed development site. Photographed from microfilm,1 page. 2. Letter from Moira Hahn to Dr. Henry Koerper, October 8, 1996. Distributed to Dr. Koerper, the Seal Beach City Council and the Seal Beach Archaeological Advisory Comm~ttee in October, 1996. 2 pages. 3. Table 3a: Tabular Comparison of site Size Estimates for the Eastern Sector Sites, from "An Archaeological Site Survey of the Hellman Ranch, City of Seal Beach, Califomia"t page 43, Environmental Research Archaeology (ERA), Dr. E. Gary Stickel, July,1996. Draft. 1 page. 4. Table 3b: Tabular Comparison of site Size Estimates for the Gum Grove Park Sites and Site LH-12, from "An Archaeological Site Survey of the Hellman Ranch, City of Seal Beach, California", page 44, Environmental Research Archaeology (ERA), Dr. E. Gary Stickel, July,1996. Draft. 1 page. 5. Ficure 2: The Hellman Ranch Property, site map produced by ERA Archaeology, June, 1996. 1 page. 6. Double page map (11" x 17") of CA-Ora-260, CA-Ora-261, LH-11, and CA-Ora-8S2, from ERA Archaeology, June 1996. Shows comparative scale/existence of sites, as assessed by LSA in 1990 and ERA in 1996: One page, 11" x 17". 7. Letter on California Historic Resources Inventory, Regional information Center letterhead stationery, from South Central Coastal Information Center (SCCIC) staff to Dr. Stickel of ERA Archaeology. Dated April 2, 1997. Describes resource numbers assigned to sites identified by ERA. Map attached. 2 pages, including map. ( , 8. Ficure 29: The Hellman Ranch Prooerty Sites, site map produced by ERA ArchaeologYt June, 1996; includes sites CA-Qra-261, CA-ora-1472, and CA-Ora- 1473, as labeled by South Central Coastal Information Center (SCCIC) staff. This map was appended to the April 2, 1997 I~tter described above. 9. Sketch map received by facsimile on December 2, 1996 by Seal Beach Archaeological Advisory Committee Member Moira Hahn, from Dr. Leonard Cutuli, with a personal note from Dr. Cutuli. 2 pages. 10. Catalogue of Surface Finds/by Site Area discovered on the Hellman Ranch Project Site by ERA Archaeology, June, 1996.2 pages. , lR 11. Catalogue of Surface Finds/by Site Area discovered on the Hellman Ranch Project Site by ERA Archaeology, June, 1996. 2 pages. 12. Orange County Coroner's Office Record # ncc 4927, May 3, 1963, description of an Indian skeleton found during the construction of Seal Beach Leisure World. photographed from microfilm, blurry, 3 pages. 13. Word processed text of Orange County Coroner's Office Record # ncc 4927, May 3, 1963. Description and final disposition of a Native American skeleton found during the co~struction of Seal Beach Leisure World. 3 pages. 14. Burial Type Map and enlargement of accompanying 'Burial Data' table. Prepared by Anthropological Research Excavations (Winterbourne and Ashby), Orange County, California, 1937. Shows evidence of flexed, extended, cremated, and partially cremated burials in Orange County sites. Sites in Costa Mesa (Banning site)and Newport Back Bay (San Joaquin Home Ranch) are among those that contained cremated or partially cremated remains. From the Southwest Museum Library. 2 pages. 15. Excerpt from "A Study of Primitive Man in Orange County", Ashby. G. E. and J. W. Winterboume,1939, p.26-28, Southwest Museum Library, 3 pages 16. Letter from Beth Padon to Richard Rodriguez of the Orange County Coroner's . Office, 6/14/1990. 1 page. 17. Letter from William C. King of the Orange County Sheriff-Coroner's Department to Dr. Phillip Walker, 6/18/1990. 1 page. . 18. Letter from Dr. Phillip Walker to William C. King of the Orange County Sheriff- Coroner's Department to, 6/25/1990. 1 page. . lQ Official Records of the Coroner's Ottic~ DO NOT RfPR()nllr~ ,- 01 on', ilall CP~"'lod to be a true CO~y ..."50!' ...1, "': ') C'ty Coroner on file I~ ~rar~ES ~~ER~f.c(;r\ONE; ~~ BY~' Deouty - o 0 0 .... 0 0 . 0 p 0 0 0 0 0 6 .0 :0' ~ '0 0 rJ? ,t!i;!' 0 ,"0 i.y'~1l ~o '0 .::'1.,000 . ,0' '.- 0 ,0- . ~~ i:J 9 e" ft- o ," I":-#- o . '0 o 1:0 ~ ~ _<~"'.~, ,0 . Cl,. ~ . .~ o 0 00 o 0 0 0 .. 0 0 0 0 '. o ~o ~: " .' 0 0 0 0 0 {? 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I . ; . : " . 1732 Harbor Way Seal Beach, CA 90740 Dr. Henry C. Koerper 632 Chipwood Street Orange, CA 92869 Dear Dr. Koerper, Yesterday'l received your well written critique of Dr. Gary Stickel's Research Design for the proposed development of the Hellman Rancht in Seal Beach. Thank you for reviewing the document and thereby assisting our City Council in making a determination of it's adequacy. I am the member of the City's Archaeological Advisory Committee that Dr. Stickel cited in his Research Design. His citation apparently prompted your criticism of him for including hearsay evidence without investigating it's factual basis, or lack thereof. October 8, 1996 ~ There is no way that you could have known this from the way Dr. Stickel wrote the passage about the human metacarpal, but it was not anecdotal. I hand copied the (one paragraph long) written report about the bone prepared by the Orange County Coroner's office. The report is dated July 9, 1990; it's record number at the Office is # 90-3330RO. . The report states that one human adult metacarpal, a shell bead, and a leather wrapping were received by the Coroner's Office. It says the bone was found in site CA-Ora-852, in Unit 23, at a depth of 30-40 em, by C. Parker, G. Broeker, and S. Crownover. It does not state that the shell bead and leather wrapping did not appear to have come from the same location. Dr. Judy Suchey of the Office identified the bone as that of a prehistoric Native American, based on it's mineralization, porosity, and discovery in a State registered archaeological site. If Ms. SUchey noted at the time she examined them that the leather looked new in comparison to the appearance of the bone, she did not write it in her report. The oliveUa shell is listed in the report, to the best of my recollection, as a bead. No statement regarding it's probable age is provided. I initially copied the Coroner's report from a xerox copy that Vera Rocha, the Gabrielino tribal leader who had received the metacarpal for reburial, shared with me, at a meeting in Seal Beach City Council chambers, in July of 1990. Several years later, the issue of the burial came up in discussions with the Cultural Resource specialists across the street from the Hellman Ranch, at the Seal Beach Naval Weapons Station. I phoned Dr. Suchey on November 8, 1994, to inquire about having official copies of her notes sent to the City and to the Naval Weapons Station. She located the document and read it to me. I was able to '. . . I verify that what I had copied from Mrs. Rocha was correct and complete. I was informed that the document would cost $50.25. I recommended that the City purchase the report at a meeting of the archaeological committee, but it appears that this was not done. I also recommended that Lisa Boscalet (then Barnett), the Natural Resource Specialist at the Naval Weapons Station, purchase the report. When Dr. Stickel phoned to ask me about the burial, a few months ago, I recommended that he call the Coroner's Office and order a copy. He called and spoke to Dr. Suchey. For unknown reasons, she refused to release it to him. I understand that the Rocha family reburied the metacarpal somewhere on the Hellman Property, so there probably is no way to verify whether Ms. Padon's story concerning it's associated materials is true. However, in Ii~ht of remarks made to our Mayor and City Council by Ms. Padon at a 'June 11 ,1990 meeting, her credibility on this issue is questionable. Ms. Padon responded to questions from Mayor Edna Wilson and Geologist Dr. Winchell, who wanted to know if burials had been found on the Hellman Ranch. Ms. Padon responded 'No, our evidence is not coming up with human remains'. She stated that LSA had 'not been able to substantiate a rumor that burials had previously been discovered on the property, or to establish the location where those remains might have been found'. She said that the maps were unclear. The fact is, Dr: Rosenthal and Ms. Padon refer to Peter Redwine's Landing Hill manuscript not only in their bibliography, but on seven out of the forty pages of their (April, 1990) Research Design, beginning in the second paragraph of page one. Redwine clearly states that 'one, perhaps two burials' were discovered in Landing Hill site LH-9, now known as CA-Ora-264, which was on the Hellman Ranch. Ms. Padon is a Secretary of the Pacific Coast Archaeological Society (peAS), the group that recorded the Redwine sites, burials, and associated artifacts, yet she apparently had no knowledge of the recordation. ~i~ Dr. Stickel believes that the burial~ Redwine noted were destroyed by the construction of the City Yard and Rockwell International Headquarters, in the 1960's. These facilities are adjacent to the project site, on it's Northern boundary. Padon may have known this, but if she did, she still should have told the City, as burials within a one block radius certainly increase the potential for discovering additional remains on a subject property. If she honestly did not know about the burials, she is a remarkably poor researcher. ( Thank you very much for taking the time to consider my comments. Sincerely, ,M.et,~ l-k~l1 "'_ Moira Hahn cc: Seal Beach City Council. Seal Beach Archaeological Committee , ! Table 3a: Tabular Comparison of Site Size Estimates for the Eastern Sector Sites . _. HELLMAN RANCH PROPERTY (Landing Hills Complex, apart from Gumgrove Park sites): Previous site size estimates (adjusted for elliptical or circular profiles) versus ERA estimates. . Elliptical or circular adjustments (areas in mZl .. Site Redwine PCAS AA SRS LSA ERA' Ora-260 (LH-S) Lx W (m.)t : 11148 11148 9476 14716 4104 22800 Estimated size 8756 8756 7443 11558 3223 2n45 Ora-261 (LH-6) L x W (m.)t : 1858 1858 1003 1338 3819 9486 Estimated size 1459 1459 788 1051 2999 9801 Ora-262 (LH-7) Lx W (m.)t : 697 697 2731 N1A N/A 5700 Estimated size 547 547 2145 N/A N/A 5303 . . Lx W (m.)t : Ora-263 (LH-8) 8361 8361 6540 12003 7191 30000 Estimated size 6567 6567 5137 9427 5648 26602 Ora-8S0 Lx W (m.)t : N/A N/A 3484 N/A 150 75 Estimated size N/A N/A 2736 N/A 118 75 Ora-8S1 Lx W (m.)t: N/A N/A 1784 N1A N/A 1518 Estimated size N/A N/A 1401 N/A N/A 1405 Ora-8S2 Lx W (m.)t: N/A N/A 8129 11148 9520 41800 Estimated size N/A N/A 6385 8756 74n 42983 LH-11 Lx W (m.) : N.S.: N.S.s N.S.s N.S.: N.S.: 9603 Estimated size N.S. N.S. N.S. N.S. N,S. 9235 Totals: 19,465 123,149 .. Based on formula for circles and ellipses (Souders 1966): LenQth x Width x 1t 4 f Adjusted for meters (from feet) where necessary. .Original Redwine estimate was 300' diameter. Circle/ellipse formula still applies. 'ERA estimates based on true site size data. Lx W figures represent maximum--not average-- Em and N/S length and width. * Not surveyed . 43 Table 3b: Tabular Comparison of Site Size Estimates for the Gumgrove Park Sites and Site LH-12 HELLMAN RANCH PROJECT (Landing Hills Complex: Gumgrove Park Component and site LH-12): Previous site size estimates (adjusted for elliptical or circular profiles) versus ERA estimates. !elliptical or circular adiustments (areas in mZ\ .. Site Redwine PCAS AA SRS LSA ERA' Ora-256 (LH-1) Lx W (m.lt : 5574 5574 892 N.S.s N/A 12190 Estimated size 4378 4378 700 N.S. N/A 9500 Ora-257 (LH-2) L x W (m.lt : 7154 19510 446 N.S.s N/A 2640 Estimated size 5618 15323 350 N.S. N/A 2570 Ora-258 (LH-3) Lx W (m.)t : 19510 19510 446 N.S.* N/A 1736 Estimated size 15323 15323 350 N.S. N/A 2580 u L )( W (m.)t : N.S.* NJA Orz-259 (LH-4) 14864 14864 446 14946 Estimated size 11675 11675 350 N.S. N/A 9700 LH-12 L x W (m.l : N.S.* N.S.* N.S.* N.S.* N.S.s 120 Estimated size N.S. N.S. N.S. N.S. N.S. 67 Total: N1A 24,417 o Based on formula for circles and ellipses (Souders 1966): Length x Width x 7t 4 ( t Adjusted for meters (from feet) where necessary. IlOriginal Redwine estimate was 400' diameter. Circle/ellipse formula still applies. D ERA estimates based on true site size data. L x W figures represent maximum--not average-- EPN and N/S length and width. * Not su rveyed ( \ 44 ..~: Ei9H!.O 2: ".h~Qllman Ranch PrOI'lertv r :",^ r"" 1"'\": . I - .' l~i:L'JJii:; ..t~ ; z~-~1: M CII "a ,- . ~1r~ . /' j r, , . I" ., i; II' i : - ;Jrj · -~~.~1, :. ~!~. .') !'I. , : ,: I . . i .': 4Ca I')" s; . .' I,: . . . , . " ~ , I p: r ' . . W ...I 8 CI) h t I ill' ,. I~ I'-Iuil. III!! i!:- :I!l!=-".:! .j ~<_. . , ,. . ....' \.. -. . ~ \,j , J V1 " CJ> '" ~ ~ -? '" " '" <Jl I I '. ~ " CSl " C>> " ... o ........---...... " ~ - (' ~ ": () t- a' \ .)(j&\~l' ~. ~\1!.C:: \~~ o ~ ' U'i \~ , ~:... ~ ......c . . .,.. /. p. J ~-t'~": , - ,/. //. ~ .~, ~ ;J.~ - ~ /~c: :l. /~' ell 0 ( . .. !c.a;...o ~.~ '~ .. oo+"'&. :,..". '.. lIto::tJ .~.... ( " .' ' . 0-... ~.~:jh '. ",.' I .. ~.~. .' .c:.';.~. ~ . r ~ o. ~.. .' , ..... ~ / ~ '~. J ...., ............... '-, .....~ . .......... ............... '............ . Regional Infonnation Center Loa ....F1.. Or..... Vamrw Coualla . .. DATE~ To whom it may concern: The following resource number(s) has(have) been assigned for your project. They are: ~ O!A __ · DR. A ~ 2 Lc II LH - 12 o~A - I~ 1'1 DR-A - 1-41 ~ . (please note that Ms. Phyllisa Eisentraut at the UCLA Information Center noted that someone in the past marked site CA-Ora-26l at the place where Dr. Stickel found his LH-Il [Dr. Stickel had located Ora-261 to the East to be ~NQstent with all the previous researchers as documented in his Site Survey Report1 Stickel 1996]. 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SW QuadI2S6(Est.)?)- SF-1 Poss, ground stone. On level terrace. 5r'- ,6-- t{ ~. CA-Ora-256(Est.)- SF-2? Poss. obsidian. 4.5m and N 200 E. from west end ofOra-256(Ext ) E/W Transect, Date 5/22/96 5/22/96 5/23/96 . CA-Ora-258-SF-l Poss. ground stone frag: In F-2 ofW, Leg ofE/W Transect, N 85 em, E 75 em . 6/25/96 .. CA-Ora-259-SF-P (provisional SF -1) Poss. potsherd: In last frame (50 m. E.) on E. Leg ofE/W Transect (75 em. N., 40 em E), 2438 m, and N 1240 from S,F, to Gumgrove's SE fence comer; 53,3 m, and N 3460 E from S.F. to yellow water pipe in N.E. comer of Gumgrove Park. 6/26/96 , · CA-Ora-160B-SF-l: Poss. metate trag: 24,70 m, and N 2150 E. from provisional pipe datum on site (Brunton). CA-0ra-260B-SF-2: Flaked quartz trag.?: 23 m. and 2950 from provo pipe datum (Brunton). CA-Ora-260B-SF-3: Whole granitic manoldiscoidal: On top oflcnoD; 6.63 m. and 3280 from pipe datum (Brunton). 5/21/96 5/21/96 5/21/96 · CA-Ora-261-SF-l: Chen flake: 3200 and 25,07 m, from 2nd telephone pole from E. Gate (Brunton). CA-Ora-261-SF-2: Two bottle fTags.: In vicinity of old red tile postSt in imponed (light) soil. N 180 and 44 m. from E. Gate (Brunton), 5121/96 5/21/96 · CA-Ora-263-SF-l: 6/4/96 . Flaked jasper: In Square F-15 ofE/W Transect (2nd frame from E, end), (73 em. N., 60 cm E.) SURFACE FINDS . __ _ '.. '{paae 2\ Site-find Date CA-Ora-263-SF-2: Chen flake: 84 em, and N 1900 E from concrete slab WNW ofE/W Transect 6/4/96 datum (Silva compass). CA-Ora-85I-SF-l : Flaked jasper (spent core?)' N 30~ E. and 6.30 m. from N/S (shell count) Transect 6/4/96 datum, On edge of road, 0 CA-ora-852-SF-I. Pass, flaked quanzite(?): In square F-6 on N, leg ofNIS Transect 5/31/96 (shell count). 0 CA-Qra-852-SF-2: ShelllTooth?: 900 E and 110 m from Transect datum for Ora-852, in F-19 ofFJW 6/3/96 Transect (14.3 em. E, 85 cm. N) 0 LB-Il-SF-l: Burnt bone frag (identified by Dr. John Minch as sawn bone), 24 10 m. and 3400 5121/96 ( 0 from 4th telephone pole from gate (Brunton) LH-ll-SF-2: Incised weight stone (idem. by Dr. John Minch as siltstone or fine 5/28/96 sandstone). Found by L.M. Willey, 0 NE Quod-SF-l: Glass frag. (colored): 6.8 m. W. ofE. fence; 56.2 m. from N. side of 5/21/96 fenced oil pump yard. o . . . J ,. 6. .... <> .' O' o . o -. 0 .-0 ..0::" ~ .. .i. J'll, ~.oo . . . o .. . .", . "SolO 0 , oo.~ .. i .. . ~ . '.~ , . o . . '. 1. . , . '. . " ... o .Jr '_: _.. .:' .'~ . . ~ g.lf~ f"'l2 ':"OOf'l 0 .... I" ~r · or' ~ "..... . ., . . t ... '. . 't-04" . .', :~..... .... -~ . :."' .~._' ~~~ I.ii-lf .. ._ ..... ... I 1I.i".... , Ii- 'I .. . ';.... of. . , ..... Ow ..' ......:.". ~ . .. . . . '," '.- .... '. .- ~".oi " "&:~$ ,. .~ . ..,...-1'..",.... ~ ~,., ". ~. ""''''.,''' :. . :.~..',., ,..' .;,<(", l'!i>~~!::>"...~~~;..~.. .~':.' -. ..: . III C! . , '. . '. ...... . '. .. ...... . . . . . , . ~ 'r... '. I. . '.. . . " ". ;.:.. . . ~ ~; i I !I. N ...... ... ,g: E ;i~ I ":1 I r.f fir &..1 11:'1 if 'J; ff~ fl~ I a "IS" J~j .ir II~ ...... . : ~ ., , ! . . ~ ~ i Bones, (Indian Bones) unknown nee 4927 Calif. Ind. Height: 5'4" Clothing: none Date of Death: 1600 Place of Death: unknown Mortuary: To Coroner Office City: S.A. Family Request: NO By: NeSmith Probable Cause of Death: unknown Relatives: unknown Identified by: not identified Officer-Witness Present: Seal Beach Police Personal Effects To: none Call Rec'd: 4:25 PM, 5/3/63 office From: Disp. Stn. 18 Deputy Assigned: J.Q. NeSmith ~ ~ \ Bones of disjointed skeleton Skull intact. o , Picked up by Seal Beach Police. (see attached report) Delivered to Deputy Coroner at S. B. Police Dept. H.Q.- about 5: 1 0 PM, 5/3/63 Had been buried without casket or box about 30 inches below surface of earth- no clothing etc. found- no burial ground near- About 200' south of G.G. Blvd- midway between San Gabriel River + Bay Blvd. -Seal Beach- Length- Femur 16.25" Tibia 14" Humerus 12.25" o ( , . . . . Location: Leisure World Date: 5-3-63 Inform: Mr. Bob Davis Construction foreman Leisure World Upon arriving at the Main Gate the partiCles of the skeleton were shown to the uls by the informant who stated that they had been uncovered by one of his workmen working in a ditch. The informant then took the u/s to the location, which was approx. 200' So. of Garden Grove, and approx. halfway between the San Gabriel River and Bay Blvd. At the location the uls observed a trench approx. 6' deep and 2' wide on the No. wall of the trench there was an impression that the inform. stated that the skeleton had been taken from. The depth of the impression was approx. 30" from the surface. All particles were gathered and sent to 0 C Crime Lab for further investigation. W A Lewis 430 PM 5-3-63 May 6, 1963 TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Received this date, one skeleton, found on May 3, 1963, at Leisure World, Seal Beach, California, by construction crew, from Orange County Coroner which will remain in the custody of the undersigned for anthropological study. Gordon Pond ( Plate No. 5 . , -' . .. " 1 ~ _~c:=_ .L-:--C---:- , ... ,. A ... ..... .,...,. '.. .. - ~ . \. .~, ~ :.. ~ ( _. "cC, -... 11""'111 Dill I. ''" ~....~.- ."..H"'~~:'l."'---'~l/:::;' , , I ":...... ..' I ,. 'M.,..# I ". I ~...,/ ... . ...... . ,. I "-~ "_.,,,.., "1 I... ";.:~'" _... c-;-~ r; .~_ .,...,,:. " ,........." po f1 ,H ::.:.c'. ".::., ~; I . I I I I , .... " ._". " H ...... ~.. . .-:--,: A_'It"~'I'I"_1 Ir....n~ 6..".,,..,,. D,."" e."",'.JI. t:l1'N",,'. ""'7. . ::. ~ ~.. .0 " :... -, ".1:' . "T"- . -'~~. . .':' .. .~:..! .' ......oo .J~.""!: '. :;''::'\''~ ::..'. !i ..-:....~~...~-,:... J ',1". 14 , ~.. 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'h'~ ~"~.~ ~~ .~~';-...::.:: J"', ,.. ".", "., .: :;.i" · t-. .~,.." .90.1 11', ;." ~o.- . ".. ",' ... "_:.-.. ~... ~'''',J'l''''''". . ,. ',. -' '~'. ~ ~.~ "~"~':"'~:"r"'~':~ .:.:: ....;..~. ~lI"'... ...... ........~~".-'..........: . . ..:'..... ;.et 6~~-"""'\> z.~(.:;.~..... ~_. .... ~, ~.. ~~. ~~;.......~.r#:'~; .:':.' -~.~ ~~,!:' ~,::\":~........... _ :--::~oos :"~~-;.~~~~ " C:a .~.~~"~ ~~~"'~.. . I ~t~~~f~'~'~::. ~ ~,~-t ";l;~"":.~..:;'t:;':' --~,..~~':;Jl. '....~ :-;::,.:.......... ~.-&:t.;~~~..::~~~~. '." , ~~.._~:'"."f ..~ 41 .-. 4*-~ '\:~~_. ~ . ._.~.l'l. . . ~.IL .-' "..-::. ;~~ .. ':...~ ... , ~~ . ~-'- ~ had taken tol oaCh~ a di St1nct1ve cerelDony, L'n I r.h Na taJU~h, was perforlDed at this tilDe fOT hilD. ^ sand-painting was _ lDade and the.deceased's t.ath.rs and ceremOnial objccts WeTe Placed 1n the central hole and buried. Thc Tathulla or Whirling dance fOllowed, performed by a Sp.cial ~anc.r. dreseed in full ~init;chinich regalia. A cer.lDony, in ...hich a live eagle ...as kill.d "by magic". ...as also peJ'- for..ed at th1s tilD. if the d.ad lDan was a great chi.f. In all celebrations of thi. kind the danCing and Singing about the fire Continued until it had .ntir.ly burned out. The r.igning chief th.n thank.d all the perfor...rs from other Villages who had tak.n part In the c.r.monies, and expressed himself as Well eatisfied. [INDINGS OF RECtNT EXCAVATIONS IN ORA.NG"~ COI):-':TY \"h11e authori t1es s.em agr.ed that cr.matlon lias the "'callS of diSPosal of the d.ad in this territory as w.ll as that imm.diat.ly ourrOUnding it, rec.nt archa.plogicaI finds here tend to establish the rath.r confUSing fact that burilll arid not cremation ...as the common method of disposal Of the dead, at least in Such portions of the county as have been excavated. ~ i ( . ~ '0 ..' . !t has been a recogniZed tact that the Shoshonean of San Clem.nte and Santa Catalina buried their dead but all records extant show the contiguous continental Indians practicin~ cremation. This seeming error 1n record is due perhaps to the lack of sCi.ntific work in what has b.en considered a .. v.ry unproductiv. 10cal1 ty. and to either the misunderstand Ing of Father Geronimo Boscana's diary or the fact that Bo~cana himself did not explore the northern coast of what is no~ Orange County. .~ :"t .#< ;~ t~ ~J ~..: ri p . 1 I'.!c .H -r-: t )J 11~i :-- Associat.d "ith SOlDe of these cremations 1ar~.!....bo'1~ ,., wll1stl.. "'.re found. It is interesting to note that in ~.'j ev.ry ca.. the bones of "'hich the whistles ....r. mad. wcre '1;:: In a ..ueh b.tter state of pres.rvation than the bones of ,~." the human sk.l.tons. The Whistles w.r. lDade of a ~~= 0J tJ..lUA. bone whieh is of course I.ss porous and fragile than ';_: ~uman bon.. The stat. of pr.servation of the human bur1als,~~ the fact that th.y ....r. flexed, the total lack of European ; artifacts and the variance in the depth of the burials And 1; cremations ehould pr.olud. any argument that the cr.mat1o~. ,', are pre-histor1c and the burials made nfter Christlanlzatlo~. ot the Indians. . rJ X S ""'t) -;- The Board of Education of Santa Ana City Schools with the aid of the Works Progress Administration has excavated in fourteen camps or ranCher1as 1n the ~ounty. In eleven of th..e rancherias hUman remAins have b..n found but in only two of them have true cremat10ns been found and these ~ere associated with buriRls. At the rancheTta in Santiago Canyon three cremations Were found 1n the same oemetery W1th six flexed burials of con- siderable age. The ~alc1ned bones of these cremations were found in the s011, in the state one would expect to find them in, had they been buried either in a basket or a Scooped-out ~epression in the ground. -sJ % 4 '.. i:" & . ~,I f~ ..... . ," : > :'. ,.. .~ I' , " ..t~ .~i.-tt! ~ ':., w'. . "t" ,h~;: 4 ".:" &. or' .. ." . ~,. ~...:; ,',..o"t' .!;if ..r~~ 'I~ :j; 1," , S'.:,: , ~f.:;'t: 'J;f1 ::-; ..t: ...' fi~ , :-1'1:' I~~~:;.~ ," .,f r~ . .~~ ~ . ~ :. ... " .~..:~ :411I.. '. . '~~~,.' .'.~ ~. ;..~' . , ~~,,~.:: ~ . \t,a .r . . :) . . "'~ . .'. - The second ~anoher1a In whi h . 18 the San JoaQui H C c~ematlons have been found mOt'e rol i fi . n OJtle RallCh 51 te. Irere, 1n a C:J.mp excav:ted t~ WIth hUman burials than any c8mp heretcfore esch cont~ini 0 C~~ered shell dishes were brought ~o light .been a tiny C=fld.e calcined bones of What appears to have The cemetery which was uncovered On the Banning estate near Costa ~~ss Contsined several burials suggesting a transitory CUlture, With the rather unCertain CUstoms of a people Who live On the border between di.tinct Cultursl aress. Tn several tnstances burials were found Which had been made in a rather large hole in Which a fire had been built beSide the bOdy Of the decessed. Into this fire mortuary offerings were cast - an excerpt from the field notes Of September 18, 1936; "The skeleton lay in the CUs- tomary flexed POSition. Although the hips were Vertical the hOdy was tWisted so that the breast lav flat; the head was drawn back 80 that the tace lOoked due"west. One arm was crooked under the chin. Just north of the pelVis a 1ireplace was unCovered and a~ong the bUrned stones liers found evi- dences of mortuary Offer1ngs. "The stones nearest the pelvis were Covered With a smooth coating of asphaltum and against the Pelvic bones fragments ,of asphalt were found in which the impression of a basket weave could be easily tracedo A small cylindrical stone tool and two abalone shells complete the artifacts that had left any trace." In this same camp another interesting method of burial was brought to light. (Type claSSIfied as partial cremation On burial type.) '~pparently a Pit had been dug 16 inches into the Clay and the body placed into it, flexed and on its right side. A fire had been built on top of the body. This is shown by the charred condition of the left or uppermost side of the skeleton. The frontal and interior m~Xillary ~ere un- touched by fire whIle the remainder of the SkUll was burned to a charred fragment. The walls of the grave showed evIdence of prolonged fire." This particular type was encountered onJY in this one in- stance and at a depth of eight feet below the present Burtace. In the same cemetery several burials were found that ahowed definite burning on various parts of the Skeleton. but no eVidence ot a fire in the grave Could be found. . All the types mentioned, namelY:.crematlon, and partial~ cremation, are definitely in the ~Inorlty group so far as Our actual flndings are conoerned. The typical burial in the northern COastal area or Orang. County 18 the primitive flexed burial and variatIons of this typeD (iDeo partial f~exed and extended.) 27 ( \ JI ... .,.... , .. . . . . . ) ) . i I C:::l.o.!' oe::- o~C) c Ao'< ""l fa ~. ~ :s"'S .... (II :s~ :: t-t. r+Ql::1. =- Q QlGll"'" I>>J!.1I <Sr+- ..... CD ., ~ C .... "Cf C g, ,... c.a ~PJ (DOg:! -c:s g. r+-~ =::-::- a>G>J>> '<~< CD fl) a OC"f>C"I" <=-= CDCD~ '< "' 0 c =- c g:!Q! CD < ~ ~QlO o a r*Q, =.....0 CDQlM) ""l~ 0' "C~c ....='1 C1 C. '< o ..... 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III =s:: '<~OOfl)CIl "t:l <:l )00. ::r ell ::: = :r X' = "C'O<O....rn ::(),... (l) c: (D 0 -"0 ... en Ul ~ C. Illcn""l....<~=I>>O'< ""lr+_.....~I>>fl):r=Ct., s>> .. <=" ...r+tD :::::: ftl.... ~. =- "'; Ql ~ lr.l (') III S!l '< = .... .., C. I>> ft) ~ .... :l Oq 0'1 1>>... "'S . "'SOtt,... "'=""~Q. = $Zl .... ""l "'l 0 S>> ""l ..., Cl" Otl .., );' c: ..... .... = CIl = "< Ql f""' (':I g:, (I) ~:Jq .. ...."' =- l"l' (:l .... "'=r*(ll OC!.lOf"O- S::caftl:l"""lc.... I:""-~=- ::T (l) C .... CD o CIl 0 l"f' :: I _.,~ i -, ( A 0 dune 14, 1990 ~r. Olchard L. Qodriguez Senior Deputy Orange County Sheriff.Coroner Oepartment 1071 ~. Santo Ana BlVd. lSanto Ana, CA 92703 SUBJECT: ARCHAEOLOGICAL nE~I~S Fft~ THE "ELL~~ PROPERTY Dear ~r. modriguez: This letter serves as documentation for the ~terials that you coll~cted 1rom the Hellman Property on Jun2 S, 1990. LSA Associates, Inc. CLSA) is conducting 0 test level investisation of prehistoric sites ~ithin the Hellman property loclted in Seal 8each, California. You colloctad the 1oll~ing ~terlals for further identification: Oro-S52 One bone fragment (apprOlllmlltel y 1/2 Inch IonS) from Unit B, 60-50 CIII Several bone fragments (all under 1/2 Inch long) from Unit 7, 30-40 CIII b2ICll:l ground, CA- Ora-S52 b2ICll:l ground, CA- It ;s our understanding that ~en the coroner's office has r~vi~ tho romoins, ;t ~ill notify LSA conCQrnlng their DSussment. The coroner's office ~ill 0100 rot urn thQ rGlll!lins to LSA If tlley ore not ( Interested ;n the ~t~riols. We ~ould appreciate having the moterialo roturn2d as aoon as possible since ~e did not properly cafalo; the I119terials and Ned to have thEm ollcmined by a faunal npeciolist. A tilll2ly ossessment of the remains is important, since ~e need to provide on ovoluat;on of the nites ~ithin the ne~t IiIOnth. ~e apprechlte your cooperation ~itll these liI5Iterials. 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