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HomeMy WebLinkAboutAAC Min 1996-05-20 ~- CITY OF SEAL BEACH \.. ARCHAEOLOGICAL ADVISORY COMMI'ITEE SUB-MEETING MINUTES MAY 20, 1996 INTRODUCTION OF SUB-COMMITTEE AND PERSONS PRESENT Mr. Whittenberg suggested everyone present introduce themselves in order for all to know who's who and what their responsibilities are. Lee Whittenberg Director of Planning for City of Seal Beach and Secretary to the Archaeological Advisory Committee Tricia Arlecost Works for Dr. Gary Stickel. Joan Goldberg Alternate member on the Sub-Committee for the Archaeological Committee. Moira Hahn Member of Archaeological Sub-Committee. \.. James Flaherty Field Director on Dr. Stickel's project. Bruce Fitzpatrick Alternate member on the Sub-Committee for the Archaeological Committee. Gary Stickel City Archaeologist. Dave Bartlett Representative of HeUman Properties. PURPOSE OF MEETING Mr. Whittenberg stated the purpose of this meeting is to review the draft document, Draft - A Proposed Research Design and Investigation Program for Test Level Evaluations of Archaeological Sites Located on the Hellman Ranch, City of Seal Beach, CA, as it has been prepared and presented by E. Gary Stickel, Ph.D., Consulting Archaeologist, Environmental Research Archaeologists. He suggested listing any comments, questions or corrections that members of the Sub-Committee, staff or Mr. Bartlett feel need to be discussed prior to finalizing the final draft and presenting it to the fuU Archaeological Committee. He asked if Dr. Stickel had any preliminary comments he would like to make? - D:fWP51/ ARCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUB/LW/W-09-96 ~ Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Dr. Stickel said this is a draft document, comments are welcome, and he wouldn't have any problems with making changes. He gave thanks it is on a word processor! Mr. Whittenberg asked how members of the Sub-Committee would like to proceed? He then distributed copies of a memorandum he prepared regarding minor corrections and concerns/questions relating to the draft document, noting the first three pages of his memo deal with incomplete sentences or phrases in Dr. Stickel's report. . Member Hahn said she reviewed her document page by page and needs a way to cross-reference her document with Mr. Whittenberg's document. Mr. Whittenberg said it might be easier to go through his document changes in detail and then, if there are other changes, the members could so indicate. Another member suggested going page by page with Mr. Whittenberg making his changes and the members making their changes; this procedure was accepted. Review of the changes began: Pa~e 1: '-' Mr. Whittenberg suggested deleting the word "or" at line 5, Section 1.0: "... the recentmost Cultural Resources Management QI contract archaeological work...." Dr. Stickel agreed. Mr. Bartlett asked if the statement The City's prehistoric past has unfortunately been poorly studied by previous researchers was a generalized statement or an overall characterization? He felt there had been some work the City has not been too happy with as it was not well done and yet the more current work seems to be much better. Ms. Hahn said she made this same notation, to delete unfortunately because it's inflammatory and not all work is done badly. Dr. Stickel said this is a good point and he could tone this statement down. Beginning at Abstract, at the top of page I, Member Hahn she said she felt it should start do. Test Phase. Dr. Stickel agreed, saying it's not grammatically correct the way it is. Member Hahn suggested the following changes: delete lie and substitute remain at "... the scope of the cultural resources that remain on the Hellman Ranch ... ". Dr. Stickel agreed. replace aims with goals at "When those gQals. have been met ... ", as it is more specific. Dr. Stickel agreed. ~ D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUB/LW/f17-Q9-96 2 \..- Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 delete than any at "have been met by completion of the proposed research, final mitigation ...". Dr. Stickel agreed. reword the next sentence to avoid a run on sentence. It should read " ... Mitigation Phase program. The Mitigation program would implement ...". Dr. Stickel agreed. add known at "At present, Hellman ranch contain the majority of the known cultural resources". She felt this change was important as very little of the City of Seal Beach has been assessed for cultural resources. She noted Dr. Stickel had done an off-shore study; Seal Beach extends three miles out into the water. We don't know what's down there. Dr. Stickel agreed. . delete also at "It is unfortunate (as may be read ...f' as it's wordy. delete the word severe or change it to extreme at "Hellman Ranch has not improved that situation". It was the consensus of the sub-committee to delete the word severe, and Dr. Stickel agreed. -.... delete "(even at its Test Phase level as opposed to the much more detailed and higher level research of a Mitication Phase)" as it's redundant and is stated elsewhere in the document. Dr. Stickel agreed and noted he was trying to draw a distinction that hasn't been drawn before. There's a definite difference between the mitigation phase and the test phase. He said that if it will make the document more comprehensive, he would agree with the suggested deletion. It was a consensus of the sub-committee to delete the clause, as it is stated elsewhere in the document. P~~e 2 Dr. Stickel commented that page 2 has preliminary graphics and he will have much better graphic for the final document. Mr. Whittenberg suggested the State Lands site should be included on the graphics. Pa~e 3 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: Adding the word and at "types of artifacts and. variety of ancient flora (delete the comma here) utilized by the ancient peoples ...". Dr. Stickel agreed. Deleting of the fact that at "because 13 prehistoric sites ...". .~ D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUBILW/07-09-96 3 ~ Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Deleting Since to have the sentence read liThe property has 13 archaeological sites created by ancient Native Americans. The... ". Dr. Stickel agreed. Deleting the at "... as Principal Investigator ...". Adding and/or at II Tongva and/or the Juaneno Peoples... ". Dr. Stickel agreed. Replacing (OHP) with (SHOP) and adding State at "State Office of Historic Preservation ". Dr. Stickel agreed. Add National Historic Preservation Act, Section 106 at "SHOP, the National Historic Preservation Act, Section 106 and the "Legal Mandate" section ... ". She said she thought this was required due to the need for a Federal Section 404 permit, The Clean Water Act. Dr. Stickel agreed. '-" Mr. Bartlett commented that in paragraph 2 there is a note which says (see Figure 2). He said the document is describing land uses which we would like to move forward with, and he felt the map is basically a facilities plan for the property the way it existed several years ago when this map was drawn. Dr. Stickel said the map is an old map. Mr. Bartlett said the distinction needs to be made --- is it necessary to have a plan at this point when we haven't submitted anything to the City? Dr. Stickel said no, basically the intent of this graphic is just to show the project area. Mr. Bartlett said he didn't think reference should be made to Figure 2. However, if Figure 2 is referred to in the document it should say the facilities that currently exist on the property include (see Figure 2. the facilities plan which includes well sites, storage sheds etc). In response to a question from Mr. Bartlett, Dr. Stickel said he is only trying to show the project area and it doesn't need to reference what the intended development is. He can find a better way to reference the project area. Mr. Bartlett, noting this is an older map, suggested he could give Dr. Stickel a topographic map which shows all the topography, road locations, well sites. Dr. Stickel said that would be nice and he could add another sentence which says ... the property currently is engaged in oil extraction (see Figure 2). Dr. Stickel said he really didn't want to use the present map as it's too busy. The sub- committee decided to replace the Figure 2 map. Mr. Whittenberg suggested deleting the quotation mark at the end of page 3. Dr. Stickel agreed. Pa~e 5 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: ~ D:fWP51/ARCHCOMMl05-20-96.SUBlLW/cr7-09-96 4 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Delete was and replace with is being at "... study is being performed to permit ... II . Delete to be in complete compliance and replace with to comply. Dr. Stickel agreed. Add National Historic Preservation Act, Section 106 after "... (CEQA) if 1970...". In the second paragraph Member Hahn suggested: Delete would be and replace with are at " ... artifacts or sites that are culturally ... II . Reword the following sentence to read: Thus, this project will be conducted in consideration of the legal mandate to determine significance of all the sites in question. Dr. Stickel agreed. Pai:e 6 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: '-" Delete seeks and replace with ascertains at "Test phase work ascertains the presence. . . " . Delete thus at "This project will seek both types ...". Delete project property and replace with proposed development site at II .. reported for the proposed development site so far. II Dr. Stickel agreed Delete then and effectively at " ... established, planning for mitigation of the cultural resource an be proposed and conducted." Delete Next and replace with "A presentation or Delete presented and replace with made at "A presentation of the location of the project will be made along with ...". Dr. Stickel indicated he didn't feel this change added any clarity . Delete will be at "Following those will be the relevant ... ". The same change "will be presented followed by the relevant bibliography and appendices. II Dr. Stickel agreed. At that same line, Mr. Whittenberg indicated the word "culture" should be "cultural". Dr. Stickel said no, it's a buzz word and should be "culture histories". '--' D:lWP5l1 ARCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUBILW/rJl-09-96 5 ~ Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Delete study's project property and replace with proposed development site at 1.1 Proiect Location. Dr. Stickel agreed Member Fitzpatrick indicated Delete northern part and change to western portion at " . .. County in the western portion of the City of Seal Beach ....". College Park East is in the north portion of the City. Dr. Stickel agreed. Member Hahn said she next changed the structure of the description of the property a bit because it seemed like a run-on sentence. It should read: '-" "The main 183-acre parcel is bounded by Pacific Coast Highway on the west, the Los Angeles/Orange County line and the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power cooling channel on the northwest, ey Los Alamitos Flood Retention Basin and Westminster Avenue on the north, By and the Rockwell International Spaee RC:iC8feh Center World Headquarters and "Iari0liS City faeilities Yard and Seal Beach Animal Care Center on the east and northeast, including the Seal Beach Police Department Office. ey Additional boundaries are Seal Beach Boulevard on the southeast, and a residential housing tract known as Marina Hill on the south. " The changes regarding the description of Rockwell and Seal Beach Animal Care Center were suggested by Mr. Bartlett. Mr. Bartlett referred to a vacant piece of property at the end of Adolfo Lopez Drive. He asked if that was too detailed? Mr. Whittenberg said that may be too detailed. Member Hahn said that piece of property may be significant because that's where Charles Antos said they dumped the land that he thought was site 264 - 265. They may have dug it up, it's not clear at this point. But if that was 264 - 265, Antos said they dumped it at the end of what was Regency Drive before it turned into Adolfo Lopez Drive. Mr. Whittenberg said that at the end, where they do the big community pickups, that's not City property. Member Hahn agreed. Mr. Whittenberg said the one vacant piece the City actually owns is the little vacant area in line with the animal care center. He believes it is Rockwell property. Paee 7 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: reverse the order of the first two sentences, and they should read: \...- D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUBlLW/C1l-09-96 6 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 "Bordering Marina Hill on the southern side of the project is the City's Gum Grove Park (which at prescflt is located on the HeUman property). ~ Parts of the 183-acre area are currently being utilized for oil extraction." Delete is and replace with are at "... present project area are ... ". Dr. Stickel agreed. Change bounded to bound at "It is bound by Pacific Coast Highway ...". Delete on and replace with to at "... San Gabriel River to the west". At 1.2 PrOtect Prqpeny Description: Delete the, to read "The project property lies in Seal Beach ...". Dr. Stickel said this section is designed to talk about geologic etc. and that's why it's mentioned it's in Seal Beach. Member Hahn asked if it is necessary to say, "It lies in the Seal Beach area ...?" Mr. Whittenberg suggested saying "the project property is located at the coastal edge of the Los Angeles basin"; Dr. Stickel and Member Hahn agreed. '-" Change"... locally prominent Landing and Signal Hills" to "locally prominent Landing Hill; and Signal Hill, in Long Beach". Add believed at ..... not believed to be directly relevant to the archaeology ...". Delete they at "relevant to the archaeology but were factors in creating ...". Change the last sentence on the page to read as follows: ... in creating the landscape. For example, adjacent major landscape features of the San Gabriel River channel and the Alamitos Bay area are the result of seismic activity". Dr. Stickel agreed. Mr. Whittenberg said he was not sure that is a true statement. He said he didn't know that the San Gabriel River was impacted by the Newport Inglewood Fault and/or by seismic activity. It's changed channels over the years based on drainage patterns. Member Fitzpatrick said the amount of runoff has forced the channel to change locations several times. Member Hahn asked if the sentence should be deleted entirely beginning at "for example"? Mr. Whittenberg agreed, noting he was not sure Alamitos Bay was created by the fault system, but rather due more to ocean water levels. He suggested ~ D:lWP5l1ARCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUBIL W/07.{)f).96 7 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 deleting the remainder of the sentence after "... creating the landscape." The sub- committee agreed. Mr. Bartlett suggested: Add Commission at the second paragraph to read on "State Lands Commission property". Dr. Stickel agreed. At the reference to MBA 1987: 4-1 report, he asked the Mr. Whittenberg if the committee should go with only with referenced reports which has been certified? Mr. Whittenberg said he didn't know if the committee would want to go back and attempt to determine which reports had been certified. Member Hahn commented that the Redwine Report was not certified and that's the best report. Mr. Whittenberg said certified indicates the City thought the document was adequate, and he thought attempting to check the certification of documents may be getting far afield at this point. Member Fitzpatrick commented that at 1.2 Proiect Property Description the word thick could not be supported geologically; he suggested striking the word. Member Goldberg asked if it was a direct quote perhaps it should be kept in. Dr. Stickel said it was not a direct quote, it was paraphrasing. ~ Mr. Flaherty suggested adding a bracket around MBA 1987: 4-1. The sub-committee agreed. Pa~e 8 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: She has a question for Dr. Stickel, and has never heard the term "clayey". Member Fitzpatrick indicated it is a correct geological term, and technically should be called a marl, but it means more than 50% clay in the soil type. No change was made. Delete there are at "... and, some zones of loose sand in the ... " . Member Hahn referenced "This low-lying coastal region in the past was comprised of a network of salt marshes and tidal channels which together made up the 2,400 acre Alamitos Bay Wetland". She asked if there could have been more acreage, as she thought 2,400 is what exists now and she knows a lot of that has been dried out. Dr. Stickel said he tried to allude to the fact that it has been changing; it probably was larger. Mr. Whittenberg said there are 900 acres of wetlands on the Naval Weapons '-' D: fWP5 1/ ARCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUBlLW/C17-09-96 8 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Station. Member Hahn asked if he thought 2,400 acres was accurate? Mr. Whittenberg thought there were a lot more wetlands in that entire area and over the years they have been filled in. Member Hahn said she recalled Lisa Bosalet told the Committee that 40% of the Naval Weapons Station was marsh and wetlands. Mr. Whittenberg said that figure would be wrong. There are 5,000 acres on the weapons station and 900 acres within the National Wildlife Refuge. Referencing "Increasingly over the last 100 years ... these marshlands were greatly diminished" she said she took out the word increasingly. Mr. Whittenberg said this is saying that the rate of using up is increasing. Dr. Stickel said it's not a linear rate, its exponential; it's been drastic. Member Hahn agreed to not changing this sentence. Delete the and replace with this at :... substantially altered due to this artificial ..." and then add a comma to read "artificial, human-caused activity". Delete For and begin the sentence with "The channelization ...". Dr. Stickel agreed. Delete have to has at "... human usage of the property has caused ...". Dr. Stickel agreed. ~ Due to many changes, reword this sentence to read: "These impacts include the deposition of debris from both oil producing activities and local residents, spillage of crude oil adjacent to oil derricks and pumps, extensive vehicular use, and Ranch constructions/fencing. In addition, the installation of telephone poles and oil apparatus, previous agricultural discing, and the current practice of discing for fire prevention have disturbed the property. All of these severe disturbances and the archaeological disturbances discussed below in Section 2.2 (delete bracket), account for the degraded appearance of the site. One result of those impacts has been the replacement of native California vegetation with invasive, ruderal (weedy) species. " Mr. Bartlett commented that the impacts, or what has made the appearance of the property so degraded, really hasn't been related so much as to the current oil production facilities on the property . Yes, there is some crude oil spillage, but it is right around the drill sites, and the hydrocarbon products, in the realm of contaminated substances, is very weak compared to gasoline. Most of the degraded condition of the site is due to the channelization of the San Gabriel River, when they dumped their dredge material onto the Ranch. When they built the Haynes Generating Station they dumped the '-' D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUBlLW/C1J-09-96 9 ~ Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 material onto the Ranch property. The Ranch property has been used as a regional dump site for cars, debris and things like that for a number of years. Mr. Bartlett said he wanted to make this editorial comment, which doesn't matter so much to him as he wanted the Committee to be aware that it's really not so much related to oil and to derricks and pumps and vehicular use as it is to urbanization of the region. Dr. Stickel said that was a fair comment. Mr. Whittenberg said maybe there's a way to go back and work some of that into the report. Dr. Stickel said he would re-work this area of the report. Mr. Whittenberg said the map could perhaps show where some of those dumped materials were deposited. Member Hahn said that could also be important when Dr. Stickel begins excavation as you could find levels that were dredged from L.A harbor and below that could be the cultural levels. She suggested they might want to go below what looks to be sterile in order to check and make sure there isn't something underneath. Dr. Stickel said that was a fair point and he would re-work the paragraph. Mr. Whittenberg stated his comments had already been discussed. Pag:e 9 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: ~ In the first paragraph, delete the parenthesis around... are non-native and attest to the disturbed condition of the plant communities on the property. She said she could go either way on this item. Mr. Whittenberg suggested leaving the parentheses in. Dr. Stickel said he would think about this change. In the next sentence, add the word of, to read II A list of all of the then ...". In the second paragraph, Mr. Bartlett said the word Great should be added before "Blue Heron" . Member Fitzpatrick asked if there was such an animal as a "bushtit [Psaltriparus minimus], and Mr. Whittenberg said yes. Member Hahn asked if the Committee should include animals they have seen there, such as Mallard ducks? Dr. Stickel said this is not meant to be an exhaustive list and it's only relevant to the archaeology, such as if they find Mallard duck bones. Member Hahn questioned the last paragraph, noting she has seen skunks on the Gum Grove Park area often. Also, one time she was there the City's Animal Control Officer was letting skunks out there. She thought mammals abound there and was not sure there were more birds than mammals. Mr. Whittenberg indicated that Dr. Stickel was basing his comments on the EIR and probably, overall, there are more birds on the site. Member Hahn thought these comments could have come from an old EIR as the Navy '-" D:1WP511 ARCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUBIL W/07.(1)..96 10 ~ ~ '--' Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 exterminated the Red Fox in 1989. Mr. Whittenberg said he was not sure that the Navy has totally eradicated the Red Fox from the Weapons Station property. Member Hahn said she had not seen a Red Fox in that vicinity. Member Fitzpatrick said he had, about a year ago he had jogged the channel and seen a small, long-eared Fox-like animal. It was much smaller than a Coyote and a typical type Fox. Mr. Whittenberg said he thought Dr. Stickel was feeding back information from an earlier EIR and he didn't think the Committee should go back and re-write that portion of the EIR. Pat:e 10 Dr. Stickel asked Mr. Bartlett if he would be re-doing the Figure 3. Hellman Ranch Vegetation Map? Mr. Bartlett said no, not for this study. But yes, it would be re-done at some point. He said all the vegetative species on the site are essentially unchanged for the most part. He thought the map was fine, but the previous developer was not going to purchase the white area and that's why it's left alone. He suggested this area could be titled "Oil Production Area" because there's no vegetation on that portion of the property. Dr. Stickel asked if he would be re-drafting this or was that something he had to do? Mr. Bartlett said it will be done in the next couple of months, just not for this report. Dr. Stickel said he would like to have a better graphic; for the moment this is fine. Mr. Whittenberg said his concern was that all the discussion about plants and so on that this drawing is based on is based on an earlier document. And then if we show a map from something much newer, he was not sure that there would be the necessary consistency in this document. If you're going to show a map, it seemed to him you'd want to provide information from the document that that map generated. Member Hahn said maybe both should be provided. Member Hahn asked what would be wrong with that? Mr. Whittenberg said he didn't think it was that important to the archaeology. Dr. Stickel agreed, noting this is a disturbed area anyhow and noted the plant communities are not the same as they were. Dr. Stickel said he's fishing for a nicer looking graphic. Mr. Whittenberg said realistically it doesn't make that much difference to what is going to be expected to be found out there. If the text is going to refer to 1987 documents, he felt the Committee may want to add a concluding paragraph on page 9 that it's the understanding that as part of the environmental documentation that will follow on this project that there will be an updated vegetation map; that would be discussed through the EIR process itself. Mr. Bartlett said he would be more concerned were this a biology report or a wetlands delineation report. It would only have relevance if past changes could be established. Member Hahn asked who is doing the biology report? Mr. Bartlett said they are going to have a group write a natural resource management plan. Moffatt & Nichol will perform a wetlands restoration plan in conjunction with Coastal Resources Management, which is a marine biology company. That is what they would submit to the City and then the City will select an environmental consultant to administer the EIR. They will have their own experts who will review this information. Mr. Whittenberg said the City has selected this firm, it's P & D Technologies from Orange, CA. They were interviewed D:1WP51/ ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUBIL W/07-09-96 11 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 by the City in 1991, when Mo1a Corporation was thinking of re-submitting a project. The City Council determined to continue to use them for this project. Pae:e 11 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: In line 1, delete the word the to read " ... based in part on previous ... of the area. " . In line 2, delete including past work on the local Chronology and substituted "... of the area. Chronologies of past cultural, ...". In line 3, delete on past, to read " ... history and Cultural Resources ... projects, ...". In line 4, Mr. Whittenberg suggested adding, will be considered at the end. Member Hahn and Dr. Stickel agreed. At 2.1 Pertinent Backerounds of Culture History and Cultural Resources, Member Hahn changed this paragraph read: -... "An essential part of any archaeological research within the City of Seal Beach is a SQful grounding in the environmental and cultural changes that have taken place there. Environmental changes are important in many ways. For example.a the local sea ~ was much lower 10 to 50,000 years ago. Ancient human coastal dwellers would have been gradually forced to abandon sites that are now under water. This scenario is proven by the fact that there are more prehistoric under water sites off the California coast than anywhere else along the coastal United States (Stickel et aI. 1978). Another environmental change is caused by human activity. Undoubtedly many archaeological sites have been destroyed in the City by ~ intense development over the last century. " Member Hahn said she liked the word "primarily" over the word "mainly" but felt they were pretty much the same. Pae:e 12 There were no Committee comments. '-' D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-2o.96.SUB/LW/fJ7-09-96 12 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Paf:e 13 '-" Member Fitzpatrick asked to look at Figure 5. Mr. Fitzpatrick asked if there were a better drawing. Dr. Stickel said he didn't know of a better one, if one exists. He said the reason he included this is it shows there's potential for research. Mr. Bartlett agreed with Mr. Fitzpatrick that Figure 5 it's confusing but added he didn't know of a better alternative. Mr. Whittenberg felt "a" was confusing. Mr. Bartlett said the title was confusing and suggested it read Figure 5: Graphics Showing the Reduction of Wetlands Over Time on the Hellman Ranch. Mr. Bartlett said it's not Seal Beach, it's the Hellman property. He added that the A.A report is a report which is basically worthless, in the opinion of Dr. Stickel. Dr. Stickel said well maybe a figure isn't needed here. Member Hahn said she wasn't so sure, adding that one of the points he (Dr. Stickel) wanted to make in his hypotheses was that the configuration of the estuaries has changed quite a bit and this does pertain to that. Dr. Stickel said that this is a crude graphic, and hoped something better would emerge from future research; he felt this does have value. Member Goldberg indicated the graphic should be titled to pertain to the Hellman Property, not Seal Beach. Mr. Bartlett said he was concerned over the validity of the data, the dates shown, i.e. 1930 and 1931. Dr. Stickel agreed. Mr. Whittenberg felt this was part of the channelization of the river. Mr. Fitzpatrick said it is not clear from what is in front of the Committee. Dr. Stickel said the figures in a research design don't have to be completely accurate. You're proposing concepts that have to be studied down the line. But the graphics in the reports will be completely accurate. If there are any changes, they will be based on better data. That is part of his point, there have been provocative statements on this sort of thing --- the archaeology, the dating of the sites, the types of sites --- and none of this has been substantiated. We need to get better information. Dr. Stickel indicated he would think about this graphic. Paf:e 14 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: the word The can be deleted from the first sentence. The sentence would then begin with "Habitats of the Seal Beach area ... ". She then said the final sentence does not make any sense, with Mr. Whittenberg indicating he had the same comment: This environment for the succession of ancient cultures over time. Dr. Stickel said that is a glitch, joking that his staff left something off that language. He will clean this up. In paragraph 2, suggested the word wrought should be deleted. She felt the word recent doesn't really say enough and suggested it be made more specific, for example, say "Over the last century"; Mr. Whittenberg indicated that is said in the next sentence, ~ D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUB/LW/CJ1-09-96 13 \.r Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 again suggesting the wrought be deleted. The sub-committee agreed. Member Hahn suggested the word change should be changes but Dr. Stickel said this is a universal reference to change. Member Hahn suggested changing channelized course to channelization. Member Goldberg said the t must be added to "... the old river, ...". In paragraph 3, suggested the first sentence read" ... resources. These records attest to the fact that ... time, ...". This breaks one long sentence into two smaller sentences. The Committee took a five minute break. In paragraph 4, Mr. Whittenberg felt the word culture should be cultural. The last sentence Member Hahn suggested read "The degree ... cultural changes needs to be studied and understood". Dr. Stickel agreed. In paragraph 5, Member Hahn suggested the paragraph be changed to read, "... from a long-inhabited site, CA-Ora-119-A, located not far from the Seal Beach area at Newport Bay, approximately 22 miles ... It is not necessary to discuss here ... currently in use in the 1990's... The details of those studies will not be discussed here; only a brief...". Dr. Stickel agreed. \w Paee 15 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: In paragraph 1, suggested replace and with or to read "The time of the earliest human occupation of Southern California has been variously referred to as the "Early Period" or "Early Man" period. Additionally, the third sentence should be changed to read "A wide variety of archaeological sites throughout California have been identified as originating from this period". Dr. Stickel said that suggestion was a bit wordy and offered to re-word it. The sixth sentence should read "This date is contested as being unreliable ...". Member Hahn suggested the next sentence read "This writer is not certain that hunting was of such importance. He believes the early residents were more likely to have been hunters and gatherers whose adaptation did not support the development of large populations". Member Hahn felt splitting this into two sentences and making it more succinct would read better. Dr. Stickel said the words "small bands of people" should be left in. Member Goldberg said it's clearer in its original format and Member Hahn's suggestions changes the sentence around too much. It was decided to leave the sentence in its original format. Dr. Stickel said in all the periods it's assumed the residents were hunters and gatherers. \... D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMl05-20-96.SUBJLW/<r1-09-96 14 '-" Archaeological Advisory Comminee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Member Hahn asked Dr. Stickel if "that dates to this time" should be "it dates from that time"? Dr. Stickel said usually phraseology is usually dating to a period. Member Hahn said okay. In paragraph 3, suggested the first sentence does not say in what the OCAF presented an illustration. Dr. Stickel said the reference must be inserted in the text and in the bibliography. suggested changing the following sentence to read: "This points out the fact that much research needs to be conducted to resolve the remaining questions of a valid regarding which suM remain chronology. According to #tt# oeAF Dresentation.... " Paee 16 The Committee had no changes to page 16. Paee 17 ~ No changes were discussed for page 17. Paee 18 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: suggested adding a comma after Horizon. On the sixth line down, Member Hahn replaced usable with edible. In the third paragraph, suggested deleting was complex with and replace with featured to read "The period featured a number of possible cultures... ". Dr. Stickel agreed. In the line beginning "processing of acorns ..." the word lead should be led. Mr. Whittenberg indicated he had the same comment. In the line third line from the bottom, place a comma after "other indicative artifacts, " Paee 19 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: '-' D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUB/LW/C17-09-96 15 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 In the first paragraph: Add a Comma after "locally" and a period after "Island". Delete and begin that sentence with "The presence of artifacts ...". Delete during the period. In the second paragraph: Delete both to read "capability, for exploiting land and sea resources... ". Delete the comma after "resources". Delete more permanent if not and replace with long term or. \... Dr. Stickel said "permanent" is a key word here. Member Hahn said she had kept the word "permanent" so it should read either "long term" or "permanent", one or the other. Mr. Bartlett questioned the difference between "long term" and "permanent". Member Hahn said there's a big difference. The document now reads "more permanent if not permanent" and to her that sounds funny. Mr. Whittenberg said he questioned the phrase, saying he didn't think it made sense. He asked if it were differentiating between a permanent settlement and a seasonal work site. Member Hahn said it's either permanent or it's not permanent. Mr. Whittenberg agreed it needed clarification. Dr. Stickel thought of other terms that were used, noting there are settlement pattern systems where they can occupy an area for more than one season and then they go to other places; it's complex. Mr. Whittenberg suggested the people may have gone to one area and stayed there until they used that resource and move on to let this area recharge. Dr. Stickel said that's called "season round" but they actually lived in one spot for more than one season. Seasonal implies they only stay there for one season. Mr. Whittenberg said additional clarifying language is needed. Member Hahn suggested long term if not permanent. Dr. Stickel said he would work on the clarification. In the third paragraph: Put a period after "establishment" and delete which is incorrect from. Begin the sentence with "The writer's point". Delete that asserts and the sentence will read "The writer's point of view is that "prehistory" ended with ... ". Dr. Stickel agreed. In the fourth paragraph Mr. Whittenberg suggested: In the third line a period is needed after "17th centuries AD." Dr. Stickel agreed. '--' D:fWP5l1ARCHCOMMlOS-2o..96.SUBIL W/07-09-96 16 ~ '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Member Hahn suggested: Add commas after "sites of smaller, more precisely made artifacts, such as ...". Capitalize" Also". Dr. Stickel agreed. Pa~e 20 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: In the first paragraph: Insert the word unfonunately after "but," and delete the same word after "been" for the sentence to read "... but unfortunately due to a lack of proper curation it has been lost" . Dr. Stickel agreed. In the second paragraph: ~ Change the sentence to read "It is thought that the broad-based subsistence strategy of late populations enabled them to live in permanent villages. Small task specific groups could be sent outfrom there on a seasonal basis, to exploit various available resources". Dr. Stickel said fine. In the third paragraph: Change form to from to read "... possibly came in from the Great Basin area...". Delete was spreading to spread. She thought this was faster and Dr. Stickel agreed. In the fourth paragraph: Change being to having been. Dr. Stickel questioned this and Member Goldberg agreed. Mr. Whittenberg said that if you talk to them about El Toro they think that's their's. And if the Naval Weapons Station ever closes down he felt they would make a case that's their's. He noted we are very sensitive to their needs and concerns. Member Fitzpatrick said the word commissioned or for should be added in paragraph 4. Mr. Whittenberg suggested prepared, and the sub-committee agreed. The sentence is to \.- D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMJOS-2o-96.SUB/LW/07-09-96 17 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 read "As discussed in the Baseline Study prepared for the City ...". Dr. Stickel said this was okay with him. Pa~e 21 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: In the first paragraph: Commas be placed before and after Father Boscana. The last sentence be made more succinct and should read: These sources were consulted in the writing of this research design. Dr. Stickel agreed. In the third paragraph: Delete has and replace with have. '-" Delete for and replace with within the original boundaries for the sentence to read "Thirteen (13) of those are listed within the original Hellman Ranch boundaries. Mr. Whittenberg said the report is saying that of the thirteen sites, some of them now are not within the boundaries of the Hellman Ranch property. Members Goldberg and Hahn said we're saying we don't know. Dr. Stickel indicated we need to find out. Member Hahn said they sold off quite a bit to Rockwell. Mr. Whittenberg said that was one of his comments -- it's fairly obvious that some of the sites are no longer on the property. Member Hahn said we don't know because the maps were so crummy. That's for him to determine she guessed. Pa~e 22 In paragraph one, Mr. Whittenberg suggested the first sentence does not make sense: Those studies will be utilized for data comparisons once this project has obtained recovered from the 13 sites. He suggested: Those studies will be utilizedfor data comparisons once this project has obtained data recovered from the identified sites. "-' D:1WPS11 AllCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUBlLW 1m -09-96 18 '-' Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Dr. Stickel suggested using the original wording" 13 sites" but Mrs. Goldberg said that's what was started with and if there's something not there then that must be stated. It was agreed to use Mr. Whittenberg's wording of "identified sites". Dr. Stickel noted there may be more than 13 sites there. Member Hahn suggested the following changes: In the second paragraph: Delete for and change to of Mr. Whittenberg re-read the sentence to make sure it made sense. Member Hahn said it made sense to her. Dr. Stickel said it could be reworded and he would take a look at it. It could read The first archaeological study was conducted at 10 of the Hellman sites in the 1950s. Member Hahn said that was okay. One member questioned that where the sentence says "This started" shouldn't it say "This stated"? Mr. Whittenberg said he thought Dr. Stickel was trying to say that's when the actual work started; it's a lead in. Dr. Stickel said exactly, this started in the winter of 1954 - 55. Mr. Whittenberg said the sentence could even read "The archaeological work started ...". The Committee agreed. ~ In the second inset, beginning with "Dr. Ethel Ewing ...", Member Hahn said she didn't understand the reference "1. ... In the Spring of 1955". Dr. Stickel said the 1. ... was a glitch. The sentence should read "... field experience. In the spring ...". It was agreed to delete the 1. In paragraph 3: Change the wording in the first sentence to read: "Redwine conducted work at 10 sites after permission to dig was granted by the foreman of the Hellman Ranch, Frank Crowley. " Member Hahn felt this was more succinct. Dr. Stickel agreed. Member Hahn went back and indicated the following words were to be struck: went on to, with, given, then. Dr. Stickel agreed to this change. Delete Redwine and change it to He for the sentence to read "... numbers. He provided a crude map ...". '-' D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUBILW/CTl-09-96 19 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Delete And replace with He added that, plus a comma after "LH-1-6". The sentence will read "He added that at sites "Nos. LH-1-6, the midden soil was...". Dr. Stickel agreed. Paee 23 The Committee, talking together, made comments on Table 1. Mr. Whittenberg said the table was extremely helpful and he was sure Dr. Stickel spent a lot of time putting that together and Dr. Stickel said he sure did. Mr. Whittenberg said it was extremely helpful in understanding the different things that people are looking at in the areas involved; it was very helpful to him. Dr. Stickel said it helped him write this report. Member Goldberg said it gave a flow to it. Mr. Whittenberg said it would be nice if it were printed in the final document on ledger-sized paper. This would allow the text to be a bit larger. Dr. Stickel said he gave Mr. Flaherty a few grey hairs putting this table together. ~ Member Fitzpatrick asked who Redwine was? Dr. Stickel said he was a student at USC and he got hooked into working on these sites as part of some sort of project. Dr. Stickel was unclear on exactly what project it was. It was never clear that it was done for a class. Member Hahn said he was an undergraduate. Dr. Stickel agreed. Mr. Whittenberg said his reading revealed it was basically one of his professors mentioned that there was an area down here that was going to be built on and they had an opportunity to have some people come down and dig on it if they wanted to. And Redwine was the only person who actually wrote anything on what occurred. Dr. Stickel said he was glad he did as it's the best information. Member Hahn said Redwine died in a car accident and didn't finish the report and that's why it's in the form it is. Dr. Stickel said that given the fact that he was an undergraduate and given the time frame, forty years ago, he said it's not that bad. Mr. Whittenberg questioned the reference to W.J. Wallace and asked if that were the same W.J. Wallace that wrote the chronology from 1955? Dr. Stickel said no, there's a Wallace that taught at Long Beach State and the 1955 report was written by another Wallace. Pa~e 24 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: In paragraph one: Change pot hunter to be plural. Place a period after "collectors", delete "and" and start a new sentence to read He specifically mentions a "Mr. Cote ...". Dr. Stickel agreed. In the second paragraph, Mr. Whittenberg suggested the following change: Correct 5 x 5' to be 5' x 5'. Dr. Stickel agreed. '-- D:/WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS~20-96.SUB/LW/CJ7-09-96 20 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 In the third paragraph, Member Hahn suggested the following changes: Delete And have the sentence read At two of his excavated sites .... Dr. Stickel agreed. Member Goldberg suggested beginning the sentence with "Two of his" but Mr. Whittenberg said it wouldn't follow through. Strike most and insert a majority, since most is used quite a bit in that paragraph. Dr. Stickel agreed. In the fourth paragraph Mr. Whittenberg suggested the following change: Delete form and replace with from. Member Hahn suggested the following changes: Delete But and start the sentence with "If ... II . Mr. Fitzpatrick asked for an explanation of this sentence, saying he didn't understand what they were driving at: ... If his data was accurate, there was variability between sites. Dr. Stickel explained this is a buzz word, meaning that not all the sites were the same and it leads to a possibility that you can have different site types. That different activities might have been conducted at different sites. At a gross low, he might say one is a habitation site and maybe another is just a shell-processing site, or a milling station. Paf:e 25 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: In paragraph one: Delete the for the sentence to read "... unique with finds of 1 ... II . Delete And and begin sentence with Site. Delete or not in the fifth line. Spell out SCAS; follow by acronym. The same for PCAS. '-' D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUBILW/07..()9-96 21 '-' Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Member Hahn said this should be done the first time any acronym is used. Delete list and the for the sentence, and add report to read "... and they report that PCAS excavated ...". Delete The before "PCAS collection ... ". Dr. Stickel said you can't start a sentence with an acronym. '-' In that same sentence, Member Hahn asked if it would be better to say in comparison to the Redwine versus to see its diJferences from the Redwine collection? Mr. Whittenberg said that's what you're doing. by looking at the differences. Mr. Whittenberg asked if the document would actually include photos or drawings of the Redwine collection of artifacts? Dr. Stickel said yes, if he could get them. He would like to see them returned for eventual curation down here; L.A. County doesn't really need them. There may be only 213 artifacts. Member Fitzpatrick said they are not on display and 90% of what they have down there is not on display. The Committee suggested future archaeologists might want to study them and some of the things we find may be displayed. Mr. Whittenberg expressed a concern from the City's standpoint. He was not sure what the curation guidelines are for that type of stuff and he was not sure that the City could withstand the cost of doing some of that. Dr. Stickel said Hellman is talking about curating. Mr. Bartlett they are hoping to have some type of public-private partnership with the Conservancy and some other environmental organizations to create this environmental interpretative Center that would be home to some of these materials and also to maybe a regional wetlands discussion and exhibit. Member Goldberg asked if the procedure was that if there were things belonging to the Indians you would have to see if they wanted to take it back first? Dr. Stickel said if they were sacred items; he didn't think there would be burial items. That's usually the ethic. Mr. Bartlett said he understood it to be it was the ownership of the landowner. Dr. Stickel said it is. Mr. Bartlett indicated whoever is going to get the most value out of it. Dr. Stickel indicated this is a sensitive matter with Native Americans, if something is found with a burial. The Native Americans want that material returned, other do not necessarily; it depends on group. Mr. Whittenberg said that's probably a different issue. His concern was that the report would somehow give us some visual representation on what those artifacts from Redwine are. Right now there's nothing. The visualization could be line drawings or photographs. Member Goldberg asked if part of the yellow house would be used for such an exhibit? Mr. Bartlett said that will be up to the City. The Hellman's have just left a spot for the yellow house and if the City wants to relocate it there it seems like it would be a good land use. Mr. Whittenberg said that then gets back to curation requirements as far as ~ D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUBlLW/C17-09-96 22 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 accessibility etc. Member Goldberg said we would prefer to give it to Mr. Bartlett than to put it on that lot near our house. Member Hahn said that on that on that point, she would like to say "in comparison to" because she felt people are just as interested, if not more interested, in the similarities. Dr. Stickel said he had agreed, that that's a better way. The sentence would read The PCAS collection needs to be examined and compared to the Redwine collection housed in the L.A. County Natural History Museum. Mr. Whittenberg asked if there is a PCAS collection? Dr. Stickel said yes. Mr. Whittenberg asked if that collection is something we can eventually try to get back? Dr. Stickel said the ethic in archaeology today is to try to get collections that are spread allover back to one location. It makes it better for science and it makes it better for people who want to appreciate them. For example, Kortman is trying to get the Russian's to give back the Schleiman's gold to be housed at a Troy museum. They may not do it but it's an admirable effort. Pal:e 26 Mr. Bartlett suggested adding a date on when the map was drawn. Dr. Stickel will add Circa 1958. Mr. Bartlett also suggested adding the words Not To Scale. Dr. Stickel and the sub- committee agreed. '-' Mr. Whittenberg asked if the dirt road between LH-5 and LH-6 is generally where the existing dirt road entrance to the property is? Dr. Stickel indicated he would bet it is, but he didn't know. Mr. Bartlett said it would seem logical. Dr. Stickel indicated UCLA thinks it is, the way it lists on their topo map. We'll find that out. Mr. Whittenberg asked if where it says "Old Road to Oil Field" would that be what is now the road back into Gum Grove Park? Mr. Bartlett said that's the extension of Main Street. Before they built (Marina) the Hill that was their access way into the Ranch. They would just go up Main Street all the way up to the Ranch, essentially into Gum Grove Park. Mr. Whittenberg said that would give a general idea of where some of these spots are. Member Hahn said she was a bit confused and asked if where the "Hellman Ranch House & Barns" dirt road is listed, is that Adolfo Lopez Drive? Mr. Bartlett said no, he thought that was on the Rockwell property. Dr. Stickel asked if it were correct that the original Hellman ranch and barns were on the Rockwell property? Mr. Bartlett said it was moved around several times. He felt the original house was on the Naval Weapons Station property. Member Hahn asked if identifying photographs are available? Mr. Bartlett said there are not many photos at all. Dr. Stickel asked Mr. Bartlett if there is any way in which he can locate where the Hellman Ranch would have been on the earlier map? Mr. Bartlett said we don't want to mess up Redwine's exhibit here. But one of the original ranch houses was on the Naval Weapons Station property \.... D:lWP5l1 ARCHCOMMlOS-2o..96.SUB/LW/07-09-96 23 ~ ~ '-" Archaeological Advisory Co/1'unittee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 and one was on Rockwell's property --- so they're off this map. Mr. Whittenberg said he heard that the last house which was on the Hellman property was basically where the tower is now at Rockwell. Mr. Bartlett said he would try to get the Committee some information on this. Member Fitzpatrick said that in the late 1950's they were very active in this area, over-flying and taking pictures. And also, the old Commodities Destabilization Service out of Salt Lake flew the eleven Western United States photographically speaking. There was much overlap. This was done in the mid to late 1950's. He thought they were available. That was called the Spence Aviation Service in downtown Los Angeles. Mr. Whittenberg said he thought Whittier College may have acquired their photo collection stock. He heard somewhere that Whittier College has a very extensive aerial photo collection of the Southern California region. Member Fitzpatrick said he was not sure what the Commodities Stabilization Service is called now. They were based in Salt Lake City. The last time he ordered something from them was 1959. Their letterhead said they covered the whole Western United States. Mr. Bartlett said he knew some aerial photographs had been done from the research he had done on the wetlands that date back to the 1920's. He might not be able to get the Committee a photograph but he could let the Dr. Stickel know where they could go to review the photos. Pa~e 27 Member Hahn, noting she is not a professional, asked Dr. Stickel a content question. She asked wouldn't the numerous burials attest to a more likely theory of permanent inhabitation than camping? Dr. Stickel said yes, a big cemetery would imply a more permanent inhabitation. But you do have these complex movements of people and some do come back to the same place to rebury every year on a seasonal basis. These are the complexities that must be factored in. For example, what times of the year did they bury people? In response to a question from Member Hahn, Dr. Stickel stated this can be told in a variety of ways, like an ecofacts placement. Mr. Whittenberg said he had a conversation with the Chief of Police to find out some of the history of what was going on when the Police Department was built -- to see if they were aware of any burials being found during the grading and construction of the building. The Chief said nothing was found. Member Hahn said Charles Antos [former City Planner] followed the tracker who was tearing up the ground. Staff also telephoned a now retired Sergeant who was responsible for over-seeing the construction of the Police Station from the Police Department's standpoint. He said that this retired sergeant had heard that prior to the Hellman Ranch's homes existing. on the property that at the Rockwell area there was an old Spanish adobe. At that point there was a burial site, as a family cemetery, for the Spanish family living there. So it could be that also. Again, that is on the Rockwell property. The Sergeant retired in the mid-1970's and now lives in Huntington Beach. Dr. Stickel said he would very much appreciate getting that information. Member Hahn suggested contacting the Navy about aerial photos since they are right across the site. D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUB/LW/C17-09-96 24 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 In paragraph two, Member Hahn suggested the following changes: Insert a comma after specific to read "Without being specific, ...". Delete being specific and reword the sentence to read: He dated site LH-10 (CA-Ora-143) with more specificity, to "The Southern California Horizon 1V" ...". Dr. Stickel said this was alright. Pa~e 28 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: Delete came and change to began to read "The next work on the sites began ...". Dr. Stickel agreed. '-' Delete when with some 30 work by the... and replace with "... in the mid to late 1960's. About 30 amateur and prefessi81Ull members of the Pacific Coast Archaeological Society (PCAS) performed an investigation". Dr. Stickel said he would not say professional as he didn't think any of them were professional. Mr. Whittenberg suggested saying "30 members". Dr. Stickel and Member Hahn agreed. Dr. Stickel said PCAS is being very cooperative and said he could go over any time. He applauded groups like this, noting they put out an archaeological journal and publish regularly. Mr. Whittenberg said the City has copies of a number of their articles. Dr. Stickel said they offered to publish an article based on this project. He thanked them for this. Add commas after Aileen McKinney, to read Aileen McKinney, recently deceased PCAS member, provided formal State of California site number for the Hellman Ranch sites, ...". This includes the addition of the word ranch. Mr. Bartlett asked if this should be "Landing Hill sites" rather than "Hellman Ranch sites"'] Dr. Stickel said he thought, because it's a Hellman Ranch project, that would be confusing to use the term Landing Hill sites. Mr. Whittenberg indicated Redwine's report is the only one using "Landing Hill", the other reports refer to "Hellman Ranch". Add a comma after ORA-143 (LH-lO),. '-" D;1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUBIL W/C11-OO-96 25 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 The Committee returned to the sentence on Aileen McKinney and corrected it as noted above. Dr. Stickel said he felt it's important to note the well done job Ms. McKinney did on reporting the sites. Mr. Whittenberg asked if any members of that group are still around? Member Hahn said yes, a lot are. Dr. Stickel indicated he is exploring that with them right now. Strike their and replace with its for the sentence to read "It is unclear ifPCAS conducted its own excavations ...". Member Hahn said the reference is to an organization and the reference should be singular. Mr. Whittenberg questioned that if PC AS conducted their own excavations and if they got their own material. Dr. Stickel said they could get surface collections. Dr. Stickel said he would have to change this because they did say they had dug at one site. This information was received after the report had been prepared. Insert had before Redwine and place a comma after Redwine. To read ... than had Redwine, ... The next sentence should be changed to read: '--' The data she listed on the site record form is similar to Redwine's with the exciWtion Q/ the following additions: (])...". m ... "., and then list the additions. This strikes "but her added differences include". Spell out the number 1 as one. Strike where any, may be, and such digging and change to (and also the present location of any artifacts that may have been curated from the excavations). In the last paragraph: Delete with at (witH "SCAS".. .). Add in reporting at "... unclear in reporting if he excavated ...". . Mr. Whittenberg asked if the Clay Singer report was mentioned in the bibliography? Dr. Stickel said he couldn't find it but said he would track it down. It's only mentioned in the site record part. Dr. Stickel stated he knows Mr. Singer, and if he has a report, and will try to get a copy. ~ D:IWPS1/ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUBILW/C11-OO-96 26 ~ Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 In response to a question from Mr. Whittenberg, Dr. Stickel indicated UCLA does not have a copy on record either. P~e 29 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: In paragraph one: Delete went on and replace with continued. Sentence to read "McKinney continued that same year ...". Delete gave and replace with provided. Add a comma after "...Redwine (see Table 1), ... . In paragraph two: Delete also and change it to again, to read "She again stated...". ~ In paragraph three: Delete gives and replace with provides. Pa~e 30 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: Quotation marks should go around "in the 1960's". Dr. Stickel said no, it should just be listed as the 1960's. Member Hahn said then it's fine the way it is. In the second paragraph: Mr. Whittenberg asked about the reference to Geiger 1956 and asked if the City can get a copy of this document? Dr. Stickel said he is trying to get this from PCAS. Mr. Whittenberg indicated it predates Redwine's report, and perhaps relates to the Redwine investigation. Dr. Stickel said he didn't know and wanted to make sure that's the right date for that. Mr. Whittenberg indicated the City would like to get a copy of it. Dr. Stickel said he would try. ~ D:/WPSlI ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUBILW 100-00-96 27 \.- Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 There are many errors presented in the report in terms of how Redwine's report is described (with several sites described as having been reported by Redwine as "destroyed" which he did not say for any of his 10 sites). Member Hahn said this sentence is confusing to her. She suggested instead: There are many errors in the report with reference to how Redwine's data is described. For example, M quotes Redwine describing several of the sites as having been destroyed, in fact Redwine did not state that any of the 10 sites had been destroyed. Dr. Stickel said he will reword the whole sentence. Strike may and replace with appears to read "recorded the three sites, although it appears to...". '-' Mr. Whittenberg asked about the reference to A.A. report (Anonymous AA 1980), saying there is another report done by the same firm six months later that indicates it was written by a David Van Horn. He didn't know ifthis was someone who is around or not to see if he might have written this. Dr. Stickel said he's in that report but he's not listed as an author. Mr. Whittenberg said that's another Van Horn, not David Van Horn. His best guess is they are brothers or father/son. Member Hahn said it is probably his son as he has taken care of the archives here. David moved to New Hampshire she thought. She said she talked to David VanHorn a few years ago and he told her that Carol Colquehon wrote it. But it's not written that way. He may not be remembering it correctly. Dr. Stickel said they had a real problem with this because the profession states an archaeologist has to put his name on a report. In response to a question from Mr. Whittenberg, Dr. Stickel indicted that was required prior to 1980. Pa~e 31 No changes to Figure 9. Page 32 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: In the first line of paragraph one: She wanted to verify that the UCLA Archaeological Information Center is really called the Southern California Archaeological Information Center at UCLA. "-" D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUBIL W/OO-OO-96 28 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Mr. Whittenberg said he did not remember the correct terminology. Dr. Stickel said he didn't think that was correct as there is more than one center in Southern California. There's one in San Diego and another in Santa Barbara. Dr. Stickel is to check, he thinks he is going by their latest invoice to him. Add official site and a comma after "... gave them official site designations, as ...". Delete of and replace with from and make disturbance plural to read "Recent disturbances from discing ...". In the fourth paragraph change: Add based on their site survey (no excavation) after the word artifacts. Delete the word had after having. This will read "All three sits were described on the site record forms as having no features, no burials and no artifacts, based on their site survey (no excavation) (Colquehoun 1980?: a,b,c). ~ Member Hahn asked if this was a quote, with Dr. Stickel indicating it is a paraphrase. Member Hahn commented that there is no knowledge because they didn't excavate. Dr. Stickel said but that's what they listed and he has to put down what they said. Mr. Whittenberg asked if it should be clarified that it is based on a site survey? Member Hahn said yes. Dr. Stickel said that could be done. Member Goldberg suggested putting in parenthesis "no excavation" to make it clear, with the sub-committee and Dr. Stickel agreeing. Delete did after report and make suggest suggested to read "The report inappropriately suggested that some sites ...". Pa~e 33 In the first paragraph Mr; Whittenberg suggested the following sentence is broad-based and needs clarification, perhaps by an example: The author maintains that any site, no matter how badly disturbed can still be sampled to yield useful, scientific data. Dr. Stickel said that even though a site may be totally disturbed you could, perhaps, get something out of it which could be radio-carbon dated. Dr. Stickel will modify. Member Hahn agreed with Mr. Whittenberg and suggested rewording to say Sample to determine ifuseful data exists. In this way you would be sampling to see if there is anything worthwhile at the site. Dr. Stickel agreed. '-" D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUB/LW/OO-OO-96 29 '-' Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Paie 34 Mr. Whittenberg asked if the date of this map should be added? Dr. Stickel said it is 1981. Member Goldberg said the map does say "(source: Desautels" 1981). Pa~e 35 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: In the first paragraph: Delete such prior digging and replace it with backhoe excavation. To read "... in precise spots already destroyed by backhoe excavation. " In the fourth paragraph, last line, change this to read: "... observed on site CA-Ora-851, and the survey mentions that". She felt this would be more clear. Pa~e 36 '-' Member Hahn suggested the following changes: In the first paragraph: Delete were and replace with was. To read "No cultural data was observed ...". Mr. Whittenberg suggested an incorrect site designation, and it should be verified. Change CA-Ora-850 to CA-Ora-851. He referred back to page 35, where it said only shellfish fragments were observed on site CA-Ora-851. Ms. Goldberg and Dr. Stickel indicated that only shellfish fragments were found on 851 and nothing was found on 850. It will remain 850. In the second paragraph, Member Hahn suggested the following change: Delete And and add a comma after finally. Begin the sentence "Finally, only...". The Committee joked that Member Hahn probably attended Catholic school. In the third paragraph, Member Hahn suggested: '-" D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUB/LW/OO-OO-96 30 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Delete The and replace with LSA's. Delete was based on and replace with states that. To read "LSA's Research Design states that "Our research ...". Change the following three sentences to read: "... site data. Those include subsistence strategy and settlement system change over time, site functions, and site seasonality. All of those research questions are more properly addressed, contingent on the data recovered, during the Mitigation Phase research rather than at the Test Phase level. In addition, ...". Dr. Stickel agreed. Member Hahn asked Dr. Stickel to explain what "judgmental" meant when the report read" A judgmental "sampling" approach was used to "randomize our overall view of the resources". Dr. Stickel said it means placing a pit, based on what you think might be the best place to place the pit, as opposed to doing a formal random sampling thing where you have to grid off an area hypothetically and randomly select your pits. It's done on a random basis. Member Hahn said that was okay, she liked that. Delete was and change to were to read "... overall view of the resources" were to be employed. " '-' Add parenthesis at "Altogether 103 (1 x 1) meter test pits. Dr. Stickel agreed. Pa~e 37 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: In the first paragraph: Delete all to read " ... were discussed ...". In the second paragraph: Change the first sentence to read: All 103 units may have been excavated (Rosenthal 1996: personal communication). Unfortunately, no professionally adequate reports were generated for any of the excavations. The documentation produced consists, in its entirety, of the following: 1) 9 page anonymous "Field and Archival Review of Archaeological sites ... ". That would all end after "(see Appendix 5)". '-" D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUB/LW/OO-OO-96 31 Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 '-" In the sentence beginning "... 700 bags... " , strike having been written to read "(without any professional analysis or written documentation)". Dr. Stickel objected, saying the word "report" is a key word because an archaeologist is supposed to have written "a report". Member Hahn suggested then striking having been written and leaving a report. Mr. Bartlett expressed concern that he was used as a reference at (Bartlett 19~: personal communication). He indicated he got this information from the memo written by LSA. This memo says these bags were collected and they were returned to Mola Corporation. He suggested someone telephone Mola Corporation and then this report can use Mola as a reference instead of him. The sub-Committee and Dr. Stickel discussed this matter, and how to resolve the concern. Mr. Whittenberg suggested revising the sentence to read "It has been represented to representatives of the Hellman properties by the previous developer that the material has been ...". Member Goldberg asked if staff could check to see if Tim Roberts of Mola Corporation would allow his name to be used in this reference. Dr. Stickel asked if it would be alright to say Dave Bartlett spoke with Tim Roberts? Mr. Bartlett said yes. At three lines above Table 2, eliminate the word and to read "... as of this writing). Dr. Rosenthal.... " . '-' Pa~e 38 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: In the first paragraph: sentence one, delete at the time. In the second line, delete the word dire. Mr. Whittenberg suggested the reference to Mr. Bartlett be changed as discussed above; Dr. Stickel agreed. In the third line, replace great unprofessional with reprehensible. Dr. Stickel objected and wanted the leeway as a professional to make a comment like this. He discusses the situation without mentioning any specifics. He felt it is incredible that any archaeologist would allow this sort of thing to happen. Member Hahn then suggested changing the paragraph to read: ... This sitUation, with such a great unprQfessional loss of data, adversely affects our project.. We have to discern. without any clear.. accurate maps, the past four decades of archaeological digging on the 13 sites. In addition to the effects of "pot-hunting" and \.... D:IWPS1/ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUBILW/OO-09-96 32 ~ Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 looting that have occurred over the past century. This situation challenges us to locate relatively undisturbed areas of each site, so we can place new units that will provide scientifically useful data. Mr. Whittenberg questioned Member Hahn on the looting of sites over the last century. Member Hahn said she had heard people were digging there in the 1920's and this is the 1990's -- so that's 70 years. Ms. Goldberg suggested using the word within the past century; the Committee agreed. In the next paragraph, strike the word apparently. In addition, she clarified the paragraph by adding the actual date on which she visited a site being excavated by LSA, it was May 31, 1990. In the next paragraph, strike the word even to read"... presentation, .allil ...". In the fourth line, strike two the's, to read "Both Desautels (1981) work and LSA's 1990 work II "'" Mr. Bartlett asked why their data did not address that? He said he was just trying to understand --- they found such an important feature and wondered by they would just blatantly disregard it? Dr. Stickel said it was because they were unprofessional. If you find burials it brings into play possible Native American and State concerns. They thought Mola wouldn't want to hear this. Mr. Bartlett asked if Padon was doing the work for the Naval Weapons Station? Dr. Stickel and Member Hahn said no, Clevenger is doing that work. Pa~e 39 Mr. Bartlett commented on line #9, beginning with "Hellman Property" asking if "Skeletal remains were recovered from Ora-264" was from the Anonymous report? Dr. Stickel said yes, it was from Archaeological Associates, they were the ones which did the survey on the Hellman Ranch in 1980. Mr. Bartlett said it sounded like some portions of the Anonymous report were not very convincing and portions were better. Dr. Stickel said yes, it was his opinion that that report was variable. Mr. Whittenberg questioned the Cottrell and Cooley document from 1980 and the finding, in 1973, of several aboriginal burials. He said that goes back to what he was trying to find out from the Police Department today, saying he was questioning whether Cottrell was using the right site, where they're stating #262. Mr. Whittenberg felt it could be #263; Dr. Stickel said it could be. Mr. Whittenberg said #263 is the site AA identifies as being part of Adolfo Lopez Road. Dr. Stickel said you have to take them at face value. Mr. Whittenberg said he was not sure there was any grading south of that area, to warrant that being named. He also commented '-' D;IWPS1/ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUBILW/OO-OO-96 33 '-' '-" '--' Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 that the #264 site, based on what showed for #263, where Adolfo Lopez Road is, is north of that, which means it's on the Rockwell property and at this time is not part of what now is the site that's going to be studied as part of the Hellman property. Dr. Stickel said that very well could be, the important point here is that burials have been sited for the property in general and it's up to this test phase level to find out if they are in error or not. Mr. Whittenberg commented he was not sure if it would be more appropriate to put in here a line which indicates that by reading what is in all three documents, it appears that sites #264 and #265 are probably on the Rockwell property and really not part of this particular study. Member Goldberg said this will come out when the final report is done. Mr. Whittenberg said it might not hurt to clarify that that's an issue which needs to be resolved in this document. Member Goldberg said that's an assumption right now. Member Hahn said she thought that was the point, to answer questions like that. Mr. Whittenberg stated the question is not clearly stated, the way he reads the report it still is assuming those sites are on the Hellman property. Dr. Stickel said he had no problem with adding a sentence to indicate there is a question as to which sites are on the Hellman Ranch. Member Hahn said if you listen to Padon and the previous researchers they'll tell you that of the 13 sites, 9 no longer exist. So you can't believe everything different sources tell you. Dr. Stickel said he would put a generalized note at the end of this paragraph. Mr. Whittenberg indicated the one thing the AA report, we could probably pretty well determine is if the grading work they are talking about is related to Regency Drive, we know where that is at, and we know that anything north of that is now on the Rockwell property. Dr. Stickel indicated he would prefer a more general statement, he can't really trust their work either, it may well be the case. He would prefer to say this study will hopefully see which sites are still remaining. The sub-Committee agreed. Mr. Whittenberg asked if bones were discovered at that point in time wouldn't the Coroner's Office have been called in and a report would have been written? Dr. Stickel said no because the policy was not in place then. They can't be faulted for that, but they can be faulted for not properly reporting and documenting; what's your source on that? Mr. Whittenberg said that was his question on several of these things, it talks about a skull found in 1938 on one of the sites on the Hellman Ranch. In 1938 the Hellman Ranch was Leisure World and all of the Naval Weapons Station; that may need to be clarified here. The fact that the Hellman Ranch in 1938 was much larger than the Hellman Ranch is today. Dr. Stickel thought that was a good idea. Member Hahn said then perhaps a lot of the artifacts the City has in the Red Car could come from the Naval Weapons Station because they were collected long ago. Member Hahn suggested the following changes: Continuing on page 39, at line #11, add shell prior to bead to read"... along with a shell bead and leather wrapping." This would delete the word some. Dr. Stickel agreed. D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUBILW/OO-OO-96 34 '--' Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 In line #15, delete the words who apparently and replacing them with ..., the tribal elders may have. She also thought it could be made more clear by adding the bones and artifacts were given to Anna Christenson, a representative of the Gabrielino Native Americans. Dr. Stickel said that much detail was not necessary here. When he gets the report from Dr. Suchey, that will be enough documentation. In line #18, delete And since, for the sentence to read "The other sites have been inadequately explored, therefore, the potential still remains for them as well, until such time ...". In line #24, thought UCSB should be spelled out. Dr. Stickel said everybody in California knows what those letters mean. '-' In line #24, the bone analysis should identify a Gabrielino rather that a Native American. Dr. Stickel said he did not know how one does that; he didn't think that was possible. Member Hahn said he said the skull had a long, narrow shape and the Gabrielino's had that, and the Juaneno don't. Member Goldberg said that might be tricky, with Member Hahn stating it may be, but that's what they said. Dr. Stickel said he would get a better report from Dr. Phil Walker. Dr. Stickel said' one has to be careful not to offend anyone by using certain features to identify a certain group. Member Hahn suggested after you read the report, maybe you can consider what would be appropriate. Pa~e 40 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: In the first paragraph: delete the word indeed. And in line #10, change archaeology to archaeological investigation. Dr. Stickel agreed. In the last paragraph, beginning at line #5, the Committee determined to change the paragraph to read "... to most efficiently and effectively explore the property. Such excavations will allow the determination of significance of each of the sites ... auger holes. The placement selection will reflect the numerous ... -. Dr. Stickel agreed. Pa~e 41 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: Line #1, add a comma after "work". ~ D:1WP51/ ARCHCOMMl0S-2~96.SUBILW/OO-OO-96 35 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Line #4, add a comma after "operation". Line #5, add the between "concerning" and "site", and change "site" to "site's". Dr. Stickel stated he was speaking more generally here, and preferred to not change the language. That was fine with Member Hahn. Line #6, delete level exploration of the Line #7, delete site's significance Line #7, change inadequate to inadequacies of Line #9, put a period after "level investigation". Delete with its many unanswered questions and replace with This investigation will address questions of . ... This breaks it into two sentences. Dr. Stickel agreed. ~ Line #12, change to read ... phase. Questions of site ... changes over time will be addressed. Dr. Stickel indicated that at a mitigation level it is appropriate to, address those questions. It is too much at a test phase, and he wants to be clear that is just for a mitigation phase. Member Hahn asked if there was a way to break it into two shorter sentences. Member Goldberg indicated it is parenthesis. Member Hahn indicated it just seems way to long. Dr. Stickel indicated it could be broken into two questions. Mr. Whittenberg suggested stating "Those research goals can address site seasonality, . ..", and Dr. Stickel agreed. Line #15, strike such and replace with to provide. Line #16, delete proper and replace with professionally adequate, place a period after "developed". Add This must be done prior to .... Member Fitzpatrick asked if Dr. Stickel liked the change. Dr. Stickel indicated we will have objective information that can be organized and studied, and it's an informed. Member Fitzpatrick suggested replacing intelligent with objective at the end of line 15, the sub-Committee and Dr. Stickel agreed. Line #17, delete next and begin the sentence with "The concept... " . Line #18, Member Hahn asked what the important elements were that needed clarification? Dr. Stickel said the Test Phase. Also, add a comma in it's. . Line #21, delete Also, begin the sentence with "Statements...". '--' D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUBILW/OO-OO-96 36 '-' Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Line #22, add also, to read "the project are also provided ...". Line #23, make When to Whenever. Delete and at the end. Line #24 is to be revised by Dr. Stickel: ethnohistoric Indian Village site fH' a historical site, such as a Spanish period adobe house. Member Fitzpatrick said he didn't understand the flow of the sentence; Dr. Stickel stated it gives example of resources, and he will revise. Pa~e 42 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: Line #3, change at to on. Line #4, add Ranch after Hellman. Strike and every. Line #6, place a comma after "test pits", strike as. Line #7, place a comma after "data" and strike by such. ~ Line #8, strike work and to date. Member Hahn said "There is something about this line that bugged me"; Dr. Stickel will revise. She felt " ... presence of the site" should come frrst, and the entire sentence needs revision, there are to many qualifiers. Dr. Stickel agreed. Line #9, strike true. Line #10, strike and, replace with most. Change "determine if human remains" to most importantly it will determine if human burials are present at the subject sites. Line #12, had too many qualifiers and Ms. Hahn suggested using "formal" or "final". Line #13, place a period after "Native Americans." and strike the remainder of the sentence. Line # 17, strike the. Line #18, strike in question. '-" D:1WP51/ ARCHCOMMlOS-~96.SUBILW/OO-OO-96 37 '-" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Line #20, use Roman numerals instead of bullets. Member Goldberg suggested using letters instead. Dr. Stickel will revise. Pa~e 43 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: Line #6, delete or site and change to and it's components. Dr. Stickel said you can't assume that, some sites are single component. You can have small sites for shell processing or big habitation sites and have sleeping areas, butchering areas. Mr. Whittenberg suggested "What is the age(s) of the site and its possible components"; Member Hahn and Dr. Stickel agreed. Line #12, delete Once the. Line #13, delete data is. Change ~ "Excavated data ... ". Line #14, change should to must. '-" Line #15, delete then. Line #17, delete if it. Line #18, change line to read "it's original food processing, then the final mitigation effort may require only ... ". Line #19, delete require. Line #20, place a comma after "complex". Line #21, strike then. Dr. Stickel said this is the way you phrase a hypothesis. Mr. Bartlett said he would change this to read: ... cemetery or burial remains, a major mitigation (salvage) excavation program would have to be implemented and cultural resources protected indefinitely. He felt if there are major/significant burials this subject is up to the Native American monitors, Dr. Stickel and the property owners as to what is to be done with the remains. ~ D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUBILW/OO-OO-96 38 \r . Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Dr. Stickel said "It's not just a burial, it can be --- another site area can be very significant as well". Mr. Bartlett said that we are talking about burial remains in the sentence and felt that instead of saying what's going to happen, it might... . Dr. . Stickel said we're talking about the whole context here -- large, deep, complex. For example, if you have a site that has really great stratigraphy, that alone may be worthy of protecting it indefinitely because it may be unique to this area and extremely important for future research. "It's not just burials, it's a whole set of varying variables. Burials are certainly the most prominent and probably the most likely to argue for preservation but not the only ones, you know". Mr. Whittenberg asked that if you find a site like that does it necessarily mean it has to be excavated? Dr. Stickel said no, it needs preserving. If the test phase shows it is so unique. Member Hahn stated CEQA prefers preservation. Dr. Stickel stated for example, if it's very small and extremely rare data is in it. Mr. Whittenberg said the focus should be more towards the preservation than excavation. Dr. Stickel agreed. Member Hahn and Mr. Whittenberg suggested if the site is large, deep and/or complex, and especially ifit contains substantial Native American cemetery or burial remains, then a major mitigation and excavation program would need to be implemented ifpreservation of the site is not determined to be more appropriate. '-"' Dr. Stickel liked this. Mr. Bartlett asked what happened with the full skeletal remains that were found at Bolsa Chica? Member Goldberg said they had to re-bury them. They were not preserved. Mr. Whittenberg indicated that if burials are encountered, preservation or re-burial at another site would be determined by the Native Americans. Those issues have been addressed previously. Member Goldberg asked if the Coroner would release the bodies to the Native Americans. Mr. Whittenberg indicated what is being discussed here, is if you find remains, you need to make a decision, and that is a much different decision than during a test phase analysis. Member Hahn indicated there are also laws about cemeteries, which she needs to research further, maybe you're not supposed to disturb that part of the land at all, if it is a cemetery. Mr. Whittenberg indicated that is what he is saying, that is determined a part of mitigation. Member Hahn stated she liked the emphasis on preservation. Page 44 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: changing lines 8 and 9 to read "... required of the data collected by the field excavation team ... ". ~ D:1WP51/ ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUB/LW/OO-09-96 39 \..r Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 at the first line under Table 3, change their to his. In the next line, place a comma after "for instance". After the parentheses, place a comma before "project geologist" . P~e 45 There were no changes. Pa~e 46 Ms. Hahn suggested the following changes: Line 2, place commas after "Similarly" and "Standing". And a period after Ms. Line 8, delete Also and start a new paragraph with "A recently used ...". Lines 10 and 11 are changed to read "An attempt will be made to use this test if we recover such ground stone artifacts during our investigation". Member Fitzpatrick suggested replacing "our" with "this". Member Hahn agreed. Line 13, delete the parentheses and place Test Phase before "level". ~ Line 14, place commas after "recovery';, "Phase" and "project". Line 15, delete Once replace with After. Change site to plural, sites'. Strike area. Strike for each site. Line 20, strike available. Line 21, add available to read "the types of data available". Mr. Whittenberg suggested "derived", rather than "available", with Member Hahn agreeing. Line 23, change to read "area will also be made, in a collective" ...". P~e 47 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: Line 1, delete has and replace with have. Mr. Whittenberg asked what sites are we talking about that have been dated? Dr. Stickel indicated hypothetically, the various researchers have estimated and suggested these sites date to these different periods. ~ D:IWPS1/ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUBIL W/OO-OO-96 40 '-'" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Line 2, place a comma after both parentheses and delete to after the first parenthesis. Line 3, delete even and place a comma after "Thus". Line 4, change an to a. Line 8, change indicate and replace" with demonstrate. Line 16, delete The and replace with Another. Member Hahn asked how Dr. Stickel was going to keep from getting mixed up with recent campfire charcoal versus old charcoal? Dr. Stickel replied there are ways of doing that. Line 17, delete of the deposit of and replace with for. Line 19, delete is after "represents.... In the following indented paragraph, Member Hahn wondered if it would be better to break out the list on a line-by-line basis rather than a paragraph. '-' P~e 48 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: Line 1, delete light of the and replace with comparison to. Line 2, strike and as compared to. Line 3, delete For and start the sentence with It cannot be... Line 5, delete will and replace with should. Line 6, place a period after sites, delete that and replace with this. Line 10, change Internments to Interments. Lines 11 - 15, the indented paragraph, should be listed in list form, not as a block paragraph. ~ D:IWP51/ ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUBILW/OO-OO-96 41 \..- Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Lines 17 - 20, change this to read Native American Monitors) shall follow the appropriate steps. We shall notify the Orange County Coroner's Office and the State Native American Heritage Commission in a timely manner. The burial material would thus be handled properly. This language was determined appropriate by the sub- Committee and Dr. Stickel. Lines 21 and 22 delete (Rosenthal and Padon, 1990),... Line 24, delete the at the beginning. P3.ie 49 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: Line 4, beginning the second paragraph, put this in list format and number 1, 2, et cetera. In response to a question from Member Fitzpatrick, Dr. Stickel explained a polar coordinate provenience system, and that it could be referred to in another way. It is a way to establish a reference point on the site. '-' Line 8 posed a question by Member Hahn. She asked who advocated "formal random sampling" for the City of Seal Beach? Dr. Stickel indicated he did in the "Baseline Study". Member Hahn asked if that should be stated. Dr. Stickel indicated the reference at this point is to the "Baseline Study" . Line 10, add a comma after "random sampling" Line 13, delete have. Line 14, delete to and the severe and replace with past. Delete next past. Line 16, change to read ... conducted in stages, ifpossible, to provide critically needed iTiformation. First,. .. . Line 17, change photography to photographs. Line 19, change magnetometer to magnetometry. Delete as well. Line 22, change investigations to investigators. Line 23, strike then. '--' D:1WPS1/ ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUBILW/OO-OO-96 42 '-' '-" '-'" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Pa~e 50 There were no changes to page 50. Pa~e 51 Member Hahn suggested the following changes: Line 2, place a comma after the word prior. Line 3, questioned · Test Pits ... will be carefully excavated down to sterile ... " and suggested the addition of or below sterile in some cases in case you're digging and something was put on top of the original soil? Dr. Stickel said the depth of digging is a judgment call. The basic policy is you dig two sterile levels. "You have to take into account factors like that". Member Hahn then suggested saying whatever's appropriate for each site so that it's more flexible than down to sterile because there might be something below sterile. Dr. Stickel agreed there might be something below sterile. Mr. Bartlett said "as long as it's judgmental because most all ofthe sites have been found on the Hill area. All the disturbance has been done in the lowlands. All the fill activity was done down there". Dr. Stickel explained that when there's two sterile levels it is possible to pick up varying cultural levels. You can have stratigraphy separated by cultural deposits. California archaeologists in general have decided that two sterile levels will maximize your chance of doing that. [TAPE CUTS OFF AT THIS POINT. PAGES FROM MR. WHITTENBERG'S MARKED COPY OF THE REPORT ARE PROVIDED]. D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUBILW/OO-OO-96 43 Ardttuologictll AdviMJry Committee Swb-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 w Page S! ____ _._____. _____ digging/sampling scheme will be presented to the City in the contrad specified Excavation Plan ~ document, for its approva~~o commencement of digging at the sites. . Field work will consist of Shovel Test Probes and Test Pits placed across the extent of . each site. Test Pits (1 x 1 meter) will be carefully excavated down to sterile in 10 em levels. Sterile --re. c...~~c:.... S will be defined on the basis of 10 cm levels excavated that are devoid of cultural data. ~,~" For each shovel Test Probe and Test Pit, the surface vegetation will be scraped off, a Munsell Soil Color measure recorded of surface soil color, and all excavated soil will then be passed through a16 mesh per inch screen. Due to the hard soil conditions, wet screening will be conduded. ~~covered data will be placed in provenienced paper bags, to facilitate drying of the WlL-"" 4't--,v ~~ v~ material, plastic zip-lock bags and other containers as appropriate (e.g. a vial for a bead etc.). Notes for each test pit will be taken in specially printed, spiral bound notebooks (see Appendix 3 '-" for examples of excavation note forms). Notes will cover not only recovered artifads and ecofads but also such fadors as soil conditions, disturbances by intrusive trash, and bioturbation (roots and gopher holes). etc. Photographs will be taken, using an identification board and north arrow, of seleded pit levels, features, special in situ artifads. _ pit side walls for stratigraphy analysis, etc. Projed geomorphologist, Dr. John Minch ( who is highly trained and experienced with archaeological deposits), will examine all site excavations to assist in tasks such as identification of any cultural and identifiable natural stratigraphy. The recovered data from Shovel Test Probes and Test Pits will be laboratory processed, , cleaned when appropriate, identified (e.g. artifad type or ecofad species), analyzed and then tabulated for both artifads and ecofads (e.g. shell fra ments listed b taxa). Standard measurements will be take for aJlartifad ~ngth, width, thickness and weight in metrics. Summary statistical analysis will be performed on all quantified data. After initial lab analysis, the '-' D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMIOS-2G-96.SUBlLWIC11-OO-96 44 ArcItMological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 ....... Page 52 ..levant data sets will be sent to the projed's research scientists for their specialized analyses (see Table 3). ".0 Site Soeclfic Investiaation MethodoloavlMethods ~~ i"t:6a::? The Test Phase approach tahen here is geared to the projed in question. A two step procedure will be implemented. The first step (Step 1) will ~~? an intensive site survey of the ~ "'...,,... ES ~.,L-t ~e:::;J entire property. As part of the site survey, each site will be rel..ted and its perimeter visually ~ flagged off with strips of surveyor's tape. Soil color measurements will also be taken to ascertain if soil color correlates with the distribution of shell at each site (i.e. to define the boundaries of each site). These results will be compared with_ remote sensing photography which ~ T?-I ,.so further conoborate site boundary definitions. LeAlwally t~cse data will be fed into the computer Ft;>n.. mapping program in order to generate a quantifiable map (scaled areal extent) _each site (c.f. Figure 12). '8Ie~mote sensing analysis will hopefully allow us to demarcate previous pot holes ~p ~ ..,~ oyr ~s.,.. and excavated archaeological units (pits and trenches11Q II to permit~ place o.f units in relatively undisturbed soil to maximize Mr recovery of scientifically useful data. For excavation. the placement of Shovel Test Probes (STPs) and Test Pits (Step 2) will depend on the size (laIe intra-site disturbed areas) as determined by Step 1'. analysis at each lite. The number of units (STP, Auger holes. and Test Pits) will also depend on the analysis of Step 1'. .ite data (e.g. lite shell density). These final unit number estimates and the random Th/~ and/or judgmental sampling program for each site will be presented in the Excavation Plan_ AA> document to be approved prior to any test phase digging. The objective of Step 2 will be to . ~S' W'~<- determine the extent or scope of the cultural deposit at each lit~;,*c1ud~ site parameters of site depth, number of artifacts and/or ecofactslcubic meter, presence of any features (!.g. fire hearths ~ ~~~.'~ as indicated by modif'tecl soil and/or dusters of Fire Affeded Rocks-FAR$)t ;\6e1 the objective of Step 2 will be to judiciously place a specified number offormal1x1 meter Test Pits and..... '-' D:/WPS1/ARCHCOMMlOS-20-96.SUBlLWIC11-OO-96 45 - ArchMologicol Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 '-" ~~ . excavate them to sterile in order to obtain better information on critical site paramete~ ff& example the small Shovel Test Probes or STPs can not be excavated down to sterile because of ) v,.'l1.J- human tool use constraint~but the Test Pits." be dug to sterile( The greater volume of the Test Pits increases the chance of finding more artifactlecofact variability which is important for the testing of the Research Design's hypotheses conceming site type and function. Similarly the greater area provided by the Test Pits increases the chance that features can be found (especially burial~since 4 subject sites have reported burials). Other features sought will be fire hearths, house floors, rock features and pits of various kinds all of which would be relevant to the stated hypothese~ ~d to UI€ determination of the significance of each site. 5.0 Summary '-' By combining the data from Step 1's site survey and from Step 2's Units (e.g. the Test ~47 1A/1~~ If'~ '~~T.iI9C.... Pits), .....r total information will be generated plAiRIPft to the 1~w&~~II~ljO"3 for ftlRR,~4 Cultural Resources Management (CRM) mitigation measures for all 13 Hellman Ranch sites. Once the s..li.....1 I r rr 111= 11 It t"e test phase results are obtained and MIll results from the tests of the hypotheses are available, tile combined data will then be compared to the CEOA guidelines (cf. Appendix 1)..8Ml~data based significance of each site will be established. ~~ A complete draft Test Phase report will then be writter},-tMIt will include recommendations for the Mitigation Phase CRM work as needed for each site. The draft report for each site will be submitted to the Native American Monitors, the Seal Beach Archaeological Advisory Committee, and to the City of Seal Beach for their reviews and approvals. Finall~a synthesis report (Final Report) will be written that will summarize the results obtained for each site. The Final Report will contain project inter-site comparisons)and it will discuss how the findings from the 13 sites frt with comparisons to other major sites of the region. It will also discuss the contributions of our research U. '-" D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMI05->>96.SUB/LW/C11..()9-96 46 "" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-CJmmittee Minutes May 20, 1996 Page 54 C'F~ to the archaeological.'1 81 knowledge.. ttale Southern California Coastal Cultural Zone-and to California Archaeology in general. 6.0 Native American Coordination Native American Peoples across the United States are quite concerned about the survival of their cufture both future and past. They want non-Native American people in this country to / respect their cultures, traditions and religions. In general, they place great value on archaeological S~ En- sites which they deem to be sacred. These Mie& may hava ...R former village sites or..-.en natural places sacred to their religions and belief systems. Especially important are burial sites with inhumations of their ancestors~lifornia Native Americans are ..'i=: concerned about their ancestors' sites and burial places, as a recent article entitled MPuvunga: A Gathering of the People" -....... attests (de Ore 1990). A State publication entitled, -For the Preservation and Protection of Native American Rernains and Associated Grave Goods" (CNAHC 1988) reaffirms those concerns. fY Essentially the area of Seal Beach lies in what was the Gabrielit\o Native American tribal territory. However, the Juanet\o Tribal People (the Gabrielilio's neighboring Tribe on the south coast) .I1Y/.Ift9~ ","or-.") overlapped in their YMIf' of Seal Beach. For instance, Mrs. Gloria Carillo, whose Native name is Ahashme, is a Juanet\o who was born on the Hellman RanCh;within the City. Presently Mrs. Carillo is active in the cultural preservation of her people. ~ W/ni!-O Native Americans have long held deep resentments _ city planners and archaeologists who have ignored their legitimate concerns about preserving and respecting their ancestors' 1:JZ:; .. archaeological sites and their dead. This Test Phase study will ~ hopefully" part of a positive ~e. factor in correcting past mistakes. ... project's excavations will be monitored by appropriate Tribal Representatives. -...... D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-~96.SUBILW/OO-OO-96 47 Archoeologicol Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 '-" Page 55 7.0 Curation Arrangements will be made between the City of Seal Beach and the Hellman Company to curate the data the project will collect at a mutually agreed upon facility. Native American concurrence to the arrangement will also be sought. '--' '-' D:1WPS1/ARCHCOMMlOS->>96.SUBlLW/OO-OO-96 48 "'" Archaeological Advisory Committee Sub-Committee Minutes May 20, 1996 Respectfully Submitted, Wh' , Secretary Archaeological Advisory Commit Note: These Minutes are tentative until approved by the Archaeological Advisory Committee. The ~haeolOgical Advisory Sub-Committee Minutes of May 20, 1996 were approved on pG-t/~r"7 , 1996. '-' '-" D:1WP51/ARCHCOMMlOS-2~96.SUB/LW/OO-OO-96 49