HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC AG PKT 2004-01-12 #F Seal Beach, California _
December 8, 2003
The City Council and Redevelopment Agency met in regular
adjourned session at 6:30 p.m. with Mayor Campbell calling
the meeting to order with the Salute to the Flag.
ROLL CALL
Present: Mayor Campbell
Council /Agency Members Antos, Doane, Larson,
Yost
Absent: None
Also present: Mr. Bahorski, City Manager /Executive
Director
Mr.,Barrow, City Attorney
Mr. Whittenberg, Director of Development
Services
Ms. Yeo, "City Clerk
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CLOSED SESSION
The City Attorney announced that the Council /Agency would
meet in Closed Session to discuss the items identified on
the agenda, •a conference with legal counsel relating to
anticipated litigation pursuant to Government Code Section
54956.9(b), and to confer with the City's real property
negotiator, Bancap Commercial Real Estate Services /City
Manager relating to Rodi Properties, LLC, 1190 -98 Pacific
Coast Highway. The City Attorney invited any member of the
• public wishing to speak to the items to do so at this time.
Ms. Joyce Parque, Seal Beach, stated her belief that one
item relates to the sale of Zoeter School, the lease option
specifies year 2004, there should be bids requested to do
the appraisal and it should not be done until next year.
Ms. Sue Corbin, Seal Beach, said she was involved in the
Save Zoeter effort, the intent was that the frontage be
saved to pay for the back parcels for the children for a
period of seventy- five,years, stated that the land will be
worth more in July, 2004, questioned what has been done
about a professional appraisal, there is a duty to the
citizens to get top dollar for that property, it should be
fair market value, and claimed that the lessee holding the
rents down to achieve a lower appraisal was not right. Ms.
Corbin said this falls under federal law in some way
because it is the redevelopment agency, suggesting that the
Council /Agency be cautious because they will be held
liable.
By unanimous consent, the Council /Agency adjourned to
Closed Session at 6:37 p.m. and reconvened at 7:24 p.m.
with Mayor Campbell calling the meeting to order. The City
Attorney reported that the Council and Agency met in Closed
Session to discuss the items identified on the agenda, and
no reportable action was taken. By order of the Chair,
with consent of the Council /Agency, at 7:25 p.m. the Closed
Session was recessed until the conclusion of the City
Council meeting.
Item F
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The Council /Agency reconvened the regular adjourned,
recessed City Council /Redevelopment Agency meeting at 10:20
p.m. to continue the Closed Session discussion. The City
Council /Redevelopment Agency was reconvened at 10:39 p.m.
- with Mayor Campbell calling the meeting to order. The City
Attorney reported that the Council /Redevelopment Agency had
met in Closed Session to continue discussion of the items
identified on the agenda, gave direction to the City
Manager, no other reportable action was taken.
It was the order of the Chair, with consent of the
'Council/Agency to direct that the regular adjourned meeting
' be adjourned until January 12th, 2 - 004 at 5:00 p.m. to meet
in Closed Session. By unanimous consent, the meeting was
adjourned at 10:42 p.m. -
THESE ARE TENTATIVE MINUTES ONLY, SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL
OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SEAL BEACH.
Council Minutes Approved:
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Seal Beach, California
December 8, 2003
The City Council of the City of Seal Beach met in regular
session at 7:26 p.m. with Mayor Campbell calling the
meeting to order with the Salute to the Flag.
ROLL CALL
Present: Mayor Campbell
Councilmembers Antos, Doane, Larson, Yost
Absent: None
Also present: Mr. Bahorski, City Manager
Mr. Barrow, City Attorney
Mr. Whittenberg, Director of Development
Services
Mr. Dancs, Director of Public Works /City
Engineer -
Chief Sellers, Police Department
Mr. Vukojevic, Deputy City Engineer
Ms. Yeo, City Clerk
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Larson moved, second by Yost, to approve the order of the
agenda as presented.
AYES: Antos, Campbell, Doane, Larson, Yost
NOES: None Motion carried
' PRESENTATIONS / PROCLAMATIONS
At the request of Mayor Campbell and an indicated consensus
of the Council, Assemblyman Tom Harman was invited to
address the Council. Assemblyman Harman said he felt it
would be appropriate to brief the Council on some things
that have been going on in Sacramento in that they are half
way through the two year legislative session, and recently
convened in special session upon the call of the new
Governor. Assemblyman Harman noted the on -going scenario
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where the State promises they will do nothing wrong to the
cities and local governments yet it that seems to happen
every year, currently there is substantial concern on his
' part with regard to the Vehicle License Fee backfill, that
there may be a significant problem in that the State
promised that it would not take money away from the local
- governments yet it appears that they will do just that this
year. The Assemblyman mentioned that there have been some
near misses and some hits on legislation that was passed
this past year, before leaving office Governor Davis signed
some eight hundred new bills that will become law on
January 1st, one that may be of interest to the City is AB
710 which deals with the reorganization of the Orange
County Transit Authority Board of Directors, for a number
�f years there has been some controversy in Orange County
as to how that Board should be constituted, a friendly
dispute between some of the larger and smaller cities, and
explained that on the last day of session AB 710 made it
out of the Assembly and into the Senate where it was killed
on the floor, however according to Senators Ackerman and
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Dunn they hope to bring this bill back as an urgency in
early January and it is felt that there are sufficient
votes in the legislature for AB 710 to pass, it will be
somewhat of a compromise bill to possibly provide for two
representatives from each Supervisorial District, one
elected on a weighted vote and one elected on a one city,
one vote situation, for a total membership of fifteen.
Assemblyman Harman also mentioned ACA 10 which he sponsored
dealing with urban runoff, his District, the 67th, is a
coastal district of which Seal Beach is a major component
as well as Huntington Beach, Surfside and Sunset Beach, the
San Gabriel River the northerly boundary and the Santa Ana
River the southerly boundary, his primary concern is clean
water and the problem of urban runoff. He noted that
currently under existing State law, Proposition 218, local
government can enact fees for water, sewer and trash, that
can be done without a vote of the people, it is an
exception to Prop 218 which requires a vote of the people,
ACA 10 adds another exemption which would allow the local
jurisdiction, if it chose to do so, to adopt a fee for the
treatment of urban runoff, the cure for the problem of
urban runoff requires some type of dedicated revenue source
where at present the jurisdictions need to rely on grant
and bond funds that come and go, this bill will likely be
debated in the Assembly in the early spring, it is
supported by the League of Cities, the County Associations
and numerous other cities, and he would request the support
of Seal Beach as well. With regard to the new State
administration Assemblyman Harman said it is exciting to
have Governor Schwarzenegger in office, it is felt he is
working with both sides of the isle trying to forge a
bipartisan approach to politics as usual in Sacramento and
resolve what is perceived as a gridlock in the legislature,
it is hoped that the legislature will work with the
Governor to resolve issues. The Assemblyman said he spoke
with the Governor this evening who is trying to put
together a coalition of legislators to support his plan for
refinancing the State debt and some type of constitutional
spending limit, although his personal preference would not
be a bond issue it is most likely better than raising
taxes. Assemblyman Harman said a few months back he felt
the VLF backfill was'guaranteed to be received by the
counties, cities, and local governments, yet it is now in
considerable jeopardy because of the dispute over the cuts
that would have to be made in other programs to find the
money to reimburse the cities, the Governor does support
the backfill to the cities and local governments as
reimbursement for the $4 billion car tax that was taken
away, there are two bills in both houses of the legislature
to allow and implement the backfill, the Republicans
support the backfill, the other side of the aisle does not.
Assemblyman Harman expressed his pleasure to have _
represented the residents of the 67th Assembly District for
the past three years and looks forward to doing so for the
next three years.
BUS RAPID TRANSIT - ORANGE COUNTY TRANSIT AUTHORITY
Mr. Kurt Brotcke, OCTA, stated that his intent was to
provide the Council with a brief update of bus rapid
transit efforts in the County.
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* What is bus rapid transit - there have been
presentations in the past about transit improvements
to serve West Orange County - one of the key
recommendations included in the OCTA long range
transportation plan is to make bus service faster - an
example is that a trip from Leisure World to downtown
Santa Ana would take over an hour today, OCTA is
working to remedy those travel time issues with new
types of service, one of those is bus rapid transit;
* Some features being looked at is limited stop
operations where the bus does not stop every quarter
of a mile rather about every mile, a transit signal
priority system whereby as a bus approaches an
intersection occasionally it will get a green extended
light to enable going through an intersection more
quickly - what is proposed is operation in regular
traffic, no exclusive lanes, this type of service
would offer a minimum of twenty percent travel time
improvement over a local bus, that would reduce the
travel time from Leisure World to downtown Santa Ana
by about fifteen minutes one way;
* What is being proposed in the short term are two
demonstration routes, one a north /south route that
would primarily travel Harbor Boulevard, anchored at
the ends by the Brea Mall and Newport Beach, and an
east /west bus line that would go from downtown Santa
Ana to Long Beach, therein lies the interest to Seal
Beach - the original proposal was that the route would
be on Westminster Avenue straight through Seal Beach
Boulevard, however after hearing comments from members
of the community late last year a modification was
made to this proposal so that it will go north on Seal
Beach Boulevard to Leisure World, out and north on the
Boulevard, then travel to the Long Beach Transit Mall
and connect to the Blue Line;
* This proposal includes different station types, there
are bus shelter designs that could be implemented,
these two routes are recommended for implementation as
part of the demonstration plan;
* OCTA is seeking letters of interest with regard to
this implementation plan, at this point it is still in
the planning phase and about to enter the design phase
which is proposed for the OCTA fiscal year 2005
budget, that is where the design of the shelters and
the transit signal priority system will be considered
and bring that to something that could go into future
construction documents;
* There are also some funding issues, currently the
start up year for this service is contingent upon
grant funding, at this point there is no definitive
schedule because OCTA is seeking federal money and
additional State money for this service, however the
desire is to have the design ready to go so that when
funding is available the service can be launched and
placed on the streets.
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Mr. Brotcke said he believed that there was a separate
agenda item in the form of a letter of support, that is
what the cities along the corridor are being asked to
submit to OCTA so that when OCTA enters the budget process
for 2005 there will be some direction from the cities on
this particular project. In response to an inquiry of
Mayor Campbell as to a contract to obtain information
relating to the 405 Freeway project, Mr. Brotcke said he
would be the contact.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
Mayor Campbell requested that those present wishing to
speak to the dog park item do so under that public hearing,
those wishing to speak to the Department of Water and Power
Committee item should do so under Oral Communications as it -
is not a public hearing item.
Mayor Campbell declared Oral Communications to be open.
Ms. Carla Watson, Catalina Avenue, said she has been
involved with the DWP project for over twenty -five years,'
her understanding was that this matter was to be tabled
until a completed application is submitted, and why is
Councilman Doane bringing this matter before the Council
since the property is not in his district, the property is
in District One and contiguous to District Three. Ms.
Watson stated it makes no sense to consider changing zoning
when there is not even a completed plan, a group of people
bought this property with the knowledge that the zoning was
going to be seventy percent open space and thirty percent
buildable land, and to then turn to friends on the Council
and expect to have the zoning changed is wrong, this
property has long been the jewel of the City, a place to be
enjoyed for generations to come, and expressed her
opposition to considering this item. Mr. John Hagaman said
he was present representing Grace Community Church, the
Church has been involved in the community for many years
and will celebrate its sixtieth anniversary in February,
this past year a memorial service for 9/11 was held and the
Church is traditionally involved in the Veterans of Foreign
Wars functions. Mr. Hagaman announced the upcoming 12th
annual Handel's Messiah on December 14th at McGaugh School
Auditorium, the choir has grown from thirty to over
seventy, a complete orchestra, soloists, and himself who
has the privilege of directing the entire event, the Grace
Community Church and United Methodist Church jointly
sponsor the Messiah event, and the event has been opened up
to include persons from the community as well. Mr. Hagaman
invited the Council and the community to attend. Dr.
Denise Senett, 1st Street, said she wished to reiterate
what has been stated about the DWP property, would strongly
urge that the tabling of this matter not be reversed, a few
men bought the property and knew full well that zoning does
not become a mandate to reconsider the zoning, the majority
of people do not want that open space taken away. Dr. •
Senett said she would appreciate it if the Council could
objectify this and tell the residents what they need to do
to put this issue to rest otherwise the property owners
will pick at the City forever, keep having meetings that no
one wants, it is wonderful to have the open space, when one
travels down Ocean Avenue the ocean can not be seen until
one reaches the open space by the pier, by taking away that
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vision from the 1st Street entry to Seal Beach by allowing
houses to be built then something wonderful is lost. Mr.
Walter Uppenbauer, Galleon Way, said he can remember when
there was only one stop light in the town, since then it
has gradually increased in size, the zoning on 1st Street
has clearly been what the City has wanted for many years,
just because someone buys the land does not mean that the
zoning should be changed, let them live with it, and
recalled that the last time this matter was considered it
was said that nothing would be forthcoming until after the
first of the year. Ms. Geri West, Electric Avenue, noted
her resentment of having to attend this meeting; she was
present on September 22nd as well. Ms. West recalled that
some twenty years ago many meetings were held by the
citizens of Seal Beach with regard to what to do with the
Department of Water and Power property, there were volumes
of public input over many hours of public hearings before
the DWP Plan Advisory Committee, Planning Commission, and
City Council, the public hearings cost the taxpaying
citizens many thousands of dollars, and hundreds of hours
of citizens time attending meetings in these Chambers on
that piece of property, after all of that the decision was
made that the property would be zoned seventy percent open
space and thirty percent could be developed. Ms. West
offered that now the community is confronted with a
situation where the citizens are told that the local group
have asked that the zoning be changed so they can build
single family homes on the entire property, why is the City
even considering this, this proposal comes from long time
members of the community who have never done anything for
the community except to exploit it for their own profit, to
that Ms. West offered to provide examples. She charged
that when the investors bought this property they knew very
well what the zoning was, if they did not then they have
more problems than they can be helped to resolve, and in
this tight money situation they have nerve to ask the City
to waste its time and taxpayers money to help them line
their pockets with more than was anticipated when they
bought the property.
Ms. Helen Brown, 8th Street, said she was a member of the
DWP workshops twenty -five years ago along with a number of
other citizens who spent approximately four months studying
this property, the process started with a group that wanted
all homes, another wanted all park, they eventually came up
with about fifteen alternatives, it was known that it could
not be all park as some monetary support was needed. The
plan approved was felt to be viable and she could see no
reason why the plan should be changed now just because the
property has changed hands. Mr. Jim Sokolof, Seal Beach,
claimed that there was an odor in Council Chambers, the
fact that the Chamber doors are not flush with the building
is a contributor, it is clear that the custodial people
have tried to clean with chemicals but that has not worked,
all that is needed is an ozone machine to clear the odor.
Mr. Sokolof stated that his alley is being torn up to
compact the asphalt patches put in by the Gas Company which
the City says must be repaired, he said during the time
that the,alley was being demolished one of the bulldozers
hit the waterpipe on his side of the meter, broke the pipe,
the Gas Company did a quick fix which amounted to a piece
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of polyvinyl pipe patched in instead of his galvanized
steel pipe, also, there are two ways of grounding the
electrical service system, one is a grounding rod that goes
down into the ground, the other is a grounding grid, his
electrical system is the grid variety which was interrupted
by the break in the pipe and replacement with the polyvinyl
pipe, the contractor knew what he did and tried to hide it,
yet through the intervention of the Police Department and
the cooperation of the Building Department the conspiracy
was stopped, it is believed that it can be confirmed that a
conspiracy is a felony, the subcontractor for the Gas
Company has been in town for a while and the question could
be posed as to how many times they have done this, he would
suggest that the Building Department pay attention to this
company, that before any concrete is poured the aprons on
both sides of alleys be inspected as this will happen
again. Mr. Sokolof also mentioned that a week before
construction started there were signs in the alley stating
no parking/ tow away and to move trash cans to the street
effective December 1st. Upon being advised of the speaking
time Mr. Sokolof said he would discuss a third item at -
another time.
Mr. Dave Bartlett, representing Bay City Partners, the new
owners of the former Department of Water and Power
property, said as has been stated before they believe that
the DWP Committee is simply a mechanism and venue for a
public forum and a process as prescribed by an existing
City resolution that requires the DWP Committee to be
consulted on all matters affecting development of this
site, the Partners are not running away, they are
embarrassing that requirement, they would like to see the
Committee formed for public input, for any change of the
plan to address concerns, they are asking that the
Committee be activated. Mr. Bartlett stated that the
Committee needs to be educated on this site as well, the
facts are that this property was originally residentially
zoned in the 1960's and 1970's, it -then went to a more
commercial land use as it is currently zoned, from a three
hundred room hotel to a one hundred fifty room hotel, it is
now proposed by this application as a very low density
residential project, those things need to be explained and
understood in the context of the current proposal, also,
the issue of open space is very passionate as is public
access, those issues too need to be discussed, with due
respect to the plan that was developed twenty -five years
ago, that was twenty -five years ago, the property was owned
by a governmental entity, it is now private enterprise,
there were some good components of the twenty -five year old
plan yet that plan was also changed in 1983, change does
occur, and hopefully change can make this a better project
for the City. Mr. Bartlett mentioned that the application
before the City includes feasibility reports, fiscal
reports showing the impact on the fiscal condition of the
City, title reports, site plans, topographic maps,
descriptions of open space, public access, documentation of
numerous types of land use, this type of documentation did
not exist in 1983 or 1996 yet the Committee was formed,
consulted, there was a public process and public hearings.
He said the Partners think that the only difference is that
previously a governmental entity owned the property, now
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private enterprise owns the property, the process should
not change, it should be the same, it is felt that this
application should be treated equally. Mr. Bartlett
mentioned that there will be another community meeting,
similar to the town hall meeting held by Councilmembers
Yost and Antos, in January, the Partners are working up the
logistics of the site, it is felt that it can be held at
the Mary Wilson Library or the Marina Community Center, the
specific location to be announced, the public is invited,
comments are welcomed, however it is felt that the
Committee should be activated so that they can begin to
understand the facts and the history so they will be
prepared when the project moves towards the public hearing
process. Mr. Roger West, Electric Avenue, stated that
several misstatements have been heard, there is no
application before the City to do anything, the property
owners are desirous of lengthy discussions before
submitting an application so that they know it will be
accepted, it was also stated that now that the site is
privately owned rather than publicly owned it should be
different, yet it just so happens that the Partners want to
gain $30 to $50 million dollars and claim that the project
is benefiting the neighborhood, they want the City and
community to spend thousands of dollars helping them do
this, it is laughable. Mr. John O'Neil mentioned that when
he bought his home in Bridgeport in 1986 he had wanted to
remodel, the draftsman suggested a second story, when he
called the City it was explained why a second story in
Bridgeport was not allowed, it is the way the homes were
designed. Mr. O'Neil said that situation and the DWP have
one thing the same and one different, they are trying to do
something that they should not be allowed to do, what is
' different is that there is considerable money involved, if
they can rezone for residential they have the money to
spend on public relations, that is not the way the system
should work, the purchasers of the property bought the site
with the zoning existing, they should not be allowed to
change the zoning or the open space. Mr. Ed Simmons, Seal
Beach, said he wished to pose some questions relating to
the DWP property, there are financial questions. Given the
importance of this issue, Mr. Simmons suggested that, as is
customary in other cities to which he travels and works,
the council person representing the area in which the
property is located should know everything there is to know
about the property, facts and not innuendos. He
recommended that the Council ask staff what the cost would
be for the seventy percent park, positive or negative, the
vote was taken for the seventy percent park and thirty
percent commercial when it was thought that there would be
a motel, possibly one hundred fifty or less homes, it was
voted on and then changed, whether the response of staff is
positive or negative monetarily to not have the seventy
percent open space could the vote then be changed, he would
guarantee that it can be changed, this is a very important
monetary issue for the City, the only thing he wants is
that something gets built there, the same unsightly fence
has existed since the power plant was there. Mr. Simmons
noted that the beach trash can area is to the front of the
DWP property, where will they go, if the restaurant that
took over the property at the beginning of the 1st Street
parking lot did not exist the area would be looking like a
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dump, the restaurant lessee does a nice job taking care of
the area. Mr. Simmons offered there are many issues with
regard to the DWP, everyone is right in what they want,
however asked that for once could this be looked at from a
monetary standpoint and that important questions be
considered in the upcoming months when issues come forward.
Mr. Simmons stated that the only reason this City is so
desirable is because of the Boeing property and the Navy
property, should they leave the community there would be
thousands of people moving into the City within five years,
this City is fortunate to be surrounded by this vacant
land.
Mr. Joel Davidson, 1st Street, mentioned that on September
22nd the Council voted to table the DWP issue until a
completed application was submitted to the City, his
understanding is that that has not been done, it is
inappropriate for this to be brought back to Council
without the application having been submitted, it is
basically private interests that are pushing this issue
forward without any concern that the Council already voted
on this and determined that this would not be discussed
until after the application was complete, that would seem
to be a direct impact on the Council making the decisions
that are necessary. Mr. Davidson said it is obvious that
there are people who have very strong opinions about this
property, a petition is being gathered which has about one
hundred fifty signors thus far, the position basically
states that the people in the community want to keep the
property zoned as it is now. For this matter to appear on
the agenda does not seem to be fair. Mr. Brian Kyle, Seal
Beach, one of the property owners, stated that their desire
' is to get into a public hearing situation, and with regard
to the application it has been completed, the application
was initially submitted in August to get the process
started, the application has been resubmitted since the
last meeting and is felt to be complete. Mr. Kyle said
this property goes back a long way, he has been here since
the power plant came down, it has been zoned residential, a
three hundred room hotel, a multitude of uses, yet with
every plan over the past forty years there has been nothing
built, the reason is that they were never feasible, the
plans could not be built. Mr. Kyle offered that they are
attempting to bring the Committee together for one reason,
to sit down with the community and find out what can make
this property work, move the project forward, bring
financing into the City, they are merely asking for public
hearings. With regard to the mention of a petition, Mr.
Kyle said they too have a petition of a like number of
signors saying they want something done on the property,
they do not want a hotel in that the site is surrounded by
residential, the proposal has designated open spaces, bike
trails, trails down the River, a park in the middle, people
are concerned about transients moving into a park in an
open area, where there are open park areas like Eisenhower
Park a Police substation had to be built, there was gang
activity, problems in the area. Mr. Kyle said they are
merely asking for due process to meet with the community
with an unbiased Committee. Ms. Mitzi Morton, Seal Beach,
said her understanding is that the application has not been
reviewed to determine if it is complete or not, therefore
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no action should be taken until City staff has an
opportunity to do that review, also, if the owners wanted
to know what would work and wanted to work with the
community on this property they could have held workshops
before they presented their thirty -nine home plan, which is
still part of their application, they made up their minds
as to what they wanted to do and are trying to persuade the
City to amend the Specific Plan for residential. Ms. Joyce
Parque, Seal Beach, asked how many times the Hellman
property was rezoned, there is a double lot in the area of
the Pacific Inn that citizens did not want rezoned for a
bed and breakfast, the Bixby property was a fight for years
and went to a vote of the people, there needs to be caution
as the DWP site is in the redevelopment area, the Council
sits as the Agency and can deem that property to be
blighted and take the property then be required to build
low to moderate income housing because they take taxpayer
money and have not built enough low /moderate income
housing. She said she asked that minutes be taken of
Closed Sessions and that the Agency meetings be televised,
that has not been done, the Agency can vote in debt and the
citizens do not know they have done it, the debt at this
time is about $40 million. Ms. Parque claimed there was a
secret meeting with regard to selling Zoeter Place, where
is that money going to go, who knows what the appraisal of
that property will be, it should be sold at market value.
She mentioned that there is an election coming up, new
people will be running, if one likes the status quo that is
fine but if one wants change they should ask questions,
there are perks that the Council has given out, she would
like a ban on travel to conferences and training sessions,
there was about $5,000 spent on travel to conferences like
the League of Cities, the League wants to take away
Proposition 13, she also made a request as to how many
department heads received performance pay for 2002 -2003
budget year, who were they and how much money they
received, employees are going to conferences, trips, bonus
pay, school, etc. on taxpayer money, performance pay is one
to seven percent payable over a three month period, also,
Ruby's was given away, Ruby's should have been required to
pay for curbs. Ms. Sue Corbin, Seal Beach, said the Brown
Act requires that there be minutes of Closed Sessions. She
also asked that Mayor Campbell not run for the position of
City Clerk. Ms. Corbin noted that prior members of the
Council signed away Zoeter, during the earlier Closed
Session the Council discussed giving away the frontage of
Zoeter, not at fair market value but based upon the
appraisal of the lessee, she claimed that the front part of
Zoeter was to pay for the back portion of Zoeter, no one
should have contracted away the Zoeter front portion, there
should be an outside professional appraisal at a cost of
about $10,000 and it should be sold at fair market value if
the intent is to sell, it should not be sold tonight, the
option is for July, 2004. As to the DWP property her
feeling is that the Coastal Commission will decide what
goes there, Crazy 8 offered to build the seventy /thirty
zoning, that was not acceptable, no matter what is proposed
for the seventy / thirty will not be acceptable, these
residents do not want a hotel, do not want residential, the
Constitution is all about the commerce laws, it is more
powerful than even the Bill of Rights, there were comments
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about the owners wanting to make money but is that not the
American way, Councilman Yost should have gotten the $3
million from the San Gabriel River Conservancy when the
property was for sale for $3 to $4 million, the time to
complain is over, someone bought the property and they are
engaging in commerce and somehow they will make money, the
Council should have had the foresight to purchase the DWP.
Mr. Jim Mosler, USA Today, said he wished to speak to the
proposed newsrack provisions, there is a single color code
requirement, people know the USA Today blue and white
racks, that is their branding, they would like to keep that
throughout the City, it is understood that the desire is to
have racks that are somewhat different in the downtown
business district on Main Street, yet it would be
appreciated if consideration could be given to allowing
them to have their own racks and colors outside the Main
Street area. Another issue is that if there was a desire
in the future to establish another newsrack location on
public property that would require a precise diagram, to
that he said that the diagrams produced by the City are
very good however they are in the newspaper business, not
architects, so possibly a digital picture with measurements
would be more appropriate. Also, for newsracks placed
along the curb there is an eighteen to twenty -four inch
requirement, where there is head -in parking that is most
likely a viable distance because cars hang over the edge,
in many areas there is a no stopping' zone or a red curb
and in those areas there is no need for that distance, if
in those instances the distance could be six inches it may
allow a newsrack placement if the sidewalk is not quite
wide enough because the ordinance also provides for a four
foot sidewalk clearance. Mr. Mosler asked that those
issues be given some reconsideration. Mr. Paul Carrigan,
Los Angeles Times, said he wished to reiterate the comments
of Mr. Mosler, that they have been talking as a group and
share his concerns, he mentioned that with what was
initially proposed and where the provisions are now, the
effort has come a long way, appreciation to the City"
Manager and staff for working with them, for addressing the
newspaper concerns, making certain that they do not lose
their First Amendment rights while giving the City some
aesthetically pleasing newsracks. Mr. Carrigan said they
are behind the proposal as it stands with the exception of
the comments of Mr. Mosler, and reiterated that they would
prefer that there not be a uniform newsrack color outside
the downtown area as the newspapers would like to maintain
their own identity with their racks, and because they are
in over a hundred cities throughout the southland they do
not want to have a mandatory color throughout the city
which in time could result in every city wanting a specific
color, they are happy to accommodate the needs in the
Specific Plan zone but would like to maintain their
identity outside that zone.
It was the order of the Chair, with consent of the Council,
to declare a recess at 8:33 p.m. The Council reconvened at
8:48 p.m. with Mayor Campbell calling the meeting to order.
Mr. Tim Latimer, Orange County Register, expressed
appreciation to the City Manager, City Attorney, and
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Development Services Director for working with the
newspapers with regard to the proposed newsrack ordinance,
noting that some cities have adopted ordinances that have
hurt their cause. Mr. Latimer stated again that they
appreciate the opportunity to work with the City. Mr.
Rocky Genter, Seal Beach, mentioned that he is somewhat new
to the political process, surprised that politics in Seal
Beach seems to be practiced with innuendoes and mistruths,
disappointed that that is the approach, that is not the way
that he or his partners do business, they are looking to
follow the ordinances, Councilman Yost asked for the
application to be complete before this item was considered,
it is believed that that is the case and the Development
Services Director will let them know next week once he has
had time to review the application, the Partners have
answered each and every issue raised since the original
application of August 20th, they are looking to follow due
process and it is hoped that will mean more than the
applause and innuendos that have occurred at this meeting.
There being no.further comments, Mayor Campbell declared
Oral Communications closed.
CITY ATTORNEY REPORT
No report was presented.
CITY MANAGER REPORT
No report was presented.
COUNCIL COMMENTS
Councilman Larson inquired of the City Attorney if the City
has agreed at any point to sell the Zoeter property. The
response of the City Attorney was no. Councilman Larson
also asked if, in the opinion of the City Attorney, the
Council discussions are in compliance with the Ralph M.
Brown Act. The City Attorney responded that they are, and
for the benefit of the public, stated that neither the City
• or the Redevelopment Agency can sell Zoeter without first
having a public meeting at which the actual agreement would
be placed on the agenda, the City would receive input at a
Council or Agency meeting before any decision is reached.
• Councilman Yost noted that a member of the public had asked
how something could be put to rest, to that he said he was
not certain that could be done, laws are living things,
they change, can be changed by votes of Council, what it
really takes is an involved and informed public who watch
the agendas, are aware of what is happening in their
community, and want the community to reflect their desires,
that is the only way that one can maintain the way Seal
Beach is. Councilman Antos reported having received a call
about filming on the beach, the filming permit allowed
night filming with bright lights, etc. until 2:00 a.m., it
would seem to him that if the City is going to issue
permits for filming it should not involve bright lights, a
moon, etc. until 2:00 a.m. especially if they shine into
the windows of residents. Councilman Yost asked if the
application for the DWP plan is complete, the response of
the City Manager was that the second submittal was made on
December 8th, it has not been deemed complete at this time.
Councilman Doane said he would like to offer an explanation
of the item that he placed on this agenda as there seems to
be a misconception, he and other members of the Council
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were not present at the information meeting hosted by
Councilmembers Yost and Antos however he did watch the
cablecast, Councilman Antos did an excellent job of
explaining the process that the owners of the property must
go through, the first step in that presentation was the DWP
Committee which needs to be reorganized in that the
situation under which it was organized has changed
considerably, the only thing on the agenda is to look at
that Committee, there is nothing on the agenda to discuss
rezoning or the application, the reason the reorganization
is on the agenda is so that when the application is
complete to the satisfaction of the City the Committee will
be in place so that the proposal can then go forward with
the first phase of the process, this would be an
appropriate time to revise the Committee. Councilman Doane
clarified that his intent was to merely get things in place
so that the application can be handled properly without
having disputes going back and forth. Councilman Larson
said in furtherance of the explanation by Councilman Doane,
acknowledged that he had previously seconded the motion to
table, it was only the reorganization that was tabled, the
Committee still exists, they could meet tomorrow if
desired, the staff report explains that there are two
members that need not be on the Committee in that the
nominating organizations no longer exist. He noted that
there is always an assumption by the people in Seal Beach
that because the Council hears applications that they are
required by law to hear, that they have already made up
their mind, that is not the case. Mayor Campbell explained
that Redevelopment Agency meetings are open meetings, held
the fourth Monday of each month, they begin at 6:45 p.m.,
they are not televised, that is basically a cable issue,
the public is welcome. With regard to why the City did not
buy the DWP property, the reason is that the City did not
have the money to buy it, at the time the City was
struggling to build some reserves, the difference between
the Trailer Park and the DWP is that the Park residents are
paying off the bond debt with their rents, there is no City
money going to pay the bond debt. Mayor Campbell mentioned
that the Council takes a lot of verbal abuse week after
week, some ask how the members of the Council stand it,
there are some who just like to take their five minutes and
see how unkind, vicious, uninformed they can be, and try to
scare people. The Mayor also mentioned that she is, and
has been,.in good health.
APPOINTMENT - ORANGE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY -
1-405 MAJOR INVESTMENT STUDY WORKING GROUP
The City Manager stated that the request is to appoint two
members of the Council to serve on the OCTA 405 Working
Group Committee, the OCTA is in preparation of a long term
plan as to what the I -405 is going to look like in the
future, they are looking at a lot of options, that includes
putting in extra lanes on the I -405, it is vitally
important that two members of the Council be appointed to
the Committee, there will not be a great number of
meetings, the first of which will be in January.
Councilman Doane recommended that Councilman Larson be
appointed inasmuch as his District is at an angle adjacent
to where the 22 joins the 405 Freeway, and asked if the
three hundred foot distance requirement keep him from
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serving on this committee. The City Attorney stated that
that issue could be researched, he would believe that he
could serve on the working group however would prefer to
look at the facts before issuing an opinion. Mayor
Campbell offered to serve as well because the I -405 project
goes along the southern perimeter of College Park East
where in recent years effort was made to save the adjacent
six homes, also Mr. Lehey of OCTA has already been
approached because the widening of the 22 is proposed to go
to the 605, which'goes along the 405, and it was requested
that OCTA begin now to seek a waiver for some Navy property
which is agricultural use, that she has requested quarterly
updates with regard to that, this is something that is
going to go on after she leaves the Council. Councilman
Doane noted that Mayor Campbell's Council term may be up
before these meetings commence, however noted that her work
has been appreciated. Councilman Larson agreed to serve,
and Mayor Campbell noted that her term does not expire
until May.
Councilman Doane moved to appoint Councilman Larson and
Mayor Campbell to the OCTA 1 -405 Major Investment Study
Working Group. Councilman Antos seconded the motion.
AYES: Antos, Campbell, Doane, Larson, Yost
NOES: None Motion carried
The City Attorney offered to speak with Councilmember
Larson and obtain more information relating to this
committee, however based upon the staff report it appears
that the group would not be making decisions that could
have an impact on the value of his residence, if it turns
out that there would be a conflict the Council could
appoint another member.
DEPARTMENT OF WATER AND POWER ADVISORY COMMITTEE -
RESTRUCTURING
Councilman Doane moved that this item be removed from the
table. Councilman Larson seconded the motion.
AYES: Doane, Larson
NOES: Antos, Campbell, Yost Motion failed
Councilman Yost requested that the Council be provided as
much lead time as possible when an item relating to the
Department of Water and Power property is proposed for the
agenda, he was not aware of this item until Friday of last
week. The City Manager explained that the agenda deadline
for staff reports is basically Tuesday, nothing is foreseen
for upcoming agendas at the staff level, agendas are out on
Friday, Councilmembers of course have the prerogative to
put items on the agenda, to the question as to whether
staff understands the Brown Act, it is believed they do,
therefore to talk to each member of the Council would be
considered a serial meeting. Councilman Yost said possibly
the members of the Council could make it be known to the
other members when something is to be placed on the agenda.
Councilmember Antos asked if the Council could be notified
by memo or other means once the DWP application is deemed
to be complete, his belief is that the reason for tabling
the Committee issue by Councilman Yost was because there
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was no complete application, and once complete the item
could be brought back for discussion. The Manager
mentioned that he believed that the Council was notified
when the initial application was deemed to be incomplete,
when there is a determination that more information is
needed or the application is complete the Council will also
be notified. Councilman Yost suggested e-mail. Mayor
Campbell clarified that when the initial vote was taken she
had voted to not table it because it was not known when
this would be brought forward that would result in the
expenditure of staff time which translates to dollars, her
feeling was to cut that process short and go straight to
the Committee, now that it has been resubmitted that block
of staff time is no longer an issue.
CONSENT CALENDAR - ITEMS "D" thru "P"
Yost moved, second by Larson, to approve the recommended
action for items on the Consent Calendar as presented.
D. Approved the waiver of reading in full of
all ordinances and resolutions and that
consent to the waiver of reading shall be
deemed to be given by all Councilmembers
after the reading of the title unless
specific request is made at that time for
the reading of such ordinance or resolution.
E. Approved the minutes of the regular meeting
of November 10th, 2003.
F. Accepted the resignation of Linda Devine, the
District One Department of Water and Power
Advisory Committee representative, and
declared the position vacant.
G. Approved regular demands numbered 44260
through 44516 in the amount of $2,074,329.26,
ADP payroll checks numbered 6755041 through
6755128 and 6999788 through 6999876 in the
amount of $376,628.21, and authorized
warrants to be drawn on the Treasury for same.
H. Received and filed the Monthly Investment
Report for October, 2003.
I. Adopted Resolution Number 5188 entitled "A
RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF SEAL BEACH APPROVING AMENDMENT NO. 1 TO
THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND PINNACLE
PETROLEUM," (extension of term). By
unanimous consent, full reading of Resolution
Number 5188 was waived.
J. Adopted Resolution Number 5189 entitled "A
RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF SEAL BEACH APPROVING THE GRADING AND
STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION MANUAL,
2003 EDITION." By unanimous consent, full
reading of Resolution Number 5189 was waived.
K. Adopted Resolution Number 5190 entitled "A
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RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF SEAL BEACH APPROVING DESIGN CRITERIA FOR
SEWER FACILITIES, 2003 EDITION." By
unanimous consent, full reading of Resolution
Number 5190 was waived.
L. Approved the plans and specifications for
Annual Paving Rehabilitation FY 2003/2004,
Project Number 50172 (previous Project Number
49673), and authorized staff to initiate
the bidding process.
M. Authorized the support letter to the Orange
County Transportation Agency for the Bus
Rapid Transit Program, and received and filed
the staff report.
N. Received and filed the Annual Report for the
City of Seal Beach Community Facilities
Project No. 2002 -01, Herron Pointe.
•O. Adopted Resolution Number 5191 entitled "A
RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF SEAL BEACH TO CONSIDER ALTERATION TO
THE RATE AND METHOD OF APPORTIONMENT OF
SPECIAL TAX FOR COMMUNITY FACILITIES
DISTRICT NO. 2002 -01 (HERON POINTE)." By
unanimous consent, full reading of Resolution
Number 5191 was waived.
P. Adopted Resolution Number 5192 entitled "A
RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF SEAL BEACH, CALIFORNIA STATING ITS
INTENTION TO APPROVE AN AMENDMENT TO
CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
EMPLOYEES' RETIREMENT SYSTEM AND THE CITY
COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SEAL BEACH." By
unanimous consent, full reading of Resolution
Number 5192 was waived.
AYES: Antos, Campbell, Doane, Larson, Yost
NOES: None Motion carried
PUBLIC HEARING / RESOLUTION NUMBER 5182 - ARBOR PARK -
TRIAL DESIGNATED CANINE USE
Mayor Campbell declared the public hearing open to consider
a trial canine use of a designated area of Arbor Park. The
City Clerk certified that notice of the public hearing was
advertised as well as posted at Arbor Park, and that no
communications had been received. The Director of Public
Works presented the staff report, explained that this
process began in August at which time the Council approved
an agreement with the American Youth Soccer Organization
for use of the soccer field at Arbor Park, and offered to
briefly discuss the design of the area, maintenance of the
area, dog park rules, the cost /charge, overall project
cost, enforcement, AYSO soccer entrance, and the overall
project schedule. The Director noted that the design for
this project was done in a way to keep the cost as low as
possible, field engineering, there is not sufficient money
to do formal plans and specifications, in response to
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comments at a prior meeting there will be double gates,
adequate distance from any water fountain to a dog fountain
placed in the Park, the boundaries were established by
himself with the assistance of the Public Works Supervisor
which are basically along the concrete swale in that that
was a logical location yet not too far west which would
mean jogging around the existing water fountain, the cost
to maintain the Park is $12,000 per year or $1,000 per
acre, this is a two acre parcel, sample dog park rules from
other jurisdictions were included with the staff report, it
has been determined that the rules previously suggested
will stand however suggestions or modifications will be
considered and brought to Council at the time of
consideration of the permanent installation of a dog park.
He noted that a question had been posed as to how to recoup
the money, there could be a $2 charge added to the license
fee and issue something similar to a fishing license or a
special card for the dog, or a license to wear around their
neck to identify who is authorized to be in the park, any
consideration of fees would be left until such time as the
dog park would be made permanent, the cost at this point
would be $3,500 for a temporary fence to enclose the area
or $7,000 to $10,000 for a permanent installation, as noted
the cost to do formal plans and specifications in another
community is costing $60,000, again the attempt has been to
keep the cost of this project as low cost as possible. As
to enforcement, there would be no dogs allowed on the
playing field at any time, they would need to be leashed in
the parking lot, they could only be off -leash within the
dog park, on occasion AYSO closes the parking lot therefore
there would need to be access into the soccer field, and
should the Council determine to approve the budget
amendment to build the temporary dog park, a fence would be
• installed in three to four weeks, a trial period would be
four to six months, at the end of the trial period this
matter would be brought to the Recreation and Parks
Commission for their recommendation to Council, at that
time the Council could determine whether or not to go
forward with a permanent dog park as well as consider
allocation of fees to pay for the maintenance of the dog
park.
Councilman Larson made reference to a regulation that
prohibits toys, his dogs played Frisbee, does the
regulation mean no Frisbees or something else. The Public
Works Director responded that he did not have that
information, the Animal Services division of the Police
Department provided the rules, staff is open to any
modifications that Council may have. The City Manager said
his belief is that the provision was specific, he was
uncertain why, possibly what was meant was children's toys.
There was a continued question as to the definition of
toys, a Frisbee, a ball, or whatever. Mayor Campbell
mentioned that the hours of operation will be dawn to dusk
and the military will close the fence, that was confirmed
to be correct, a question too as to how often it is
anticipated that the park will be closed for maintenance
and the scheduled hours of maintenance, the response was
that staff will try to find a time when the park is least
used and the contractor will then be scheduled
•
appropriately, if it is determined to not be a heavy use
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period it would likely not require designation of a
specific day or time, the maintenance will also be guided
by the amount of use as to whether it would require
reseeding, the soccer fields are currently scheduled in
accordance with upcoming soccer games. Mayor Campbell
explained that the City leased this land from the Air
Station around 1985 for a twenty -five year period, the
lease had just a few years remaining, the AYSO group
notified the City that they wanted to make some
improvements to the field yet did not want to do so with
such a short lease, the City then decided to seek a new
twenty -five year lease, during that effort it was found
that the City had no authority to enforce any of its
ordinances, that provision was then added into the lease.
Mayor Campbell mentioned that a couple of years ago the
City acted to allow dogs in Gum Grove Park on- leash, Gum
Grove is a passive recreation area, Arbor Park is an active
recreation area, more recently the Spoiled Dog Society
wanted the use of Zoeter Field in early mornings, that was
denied in that there are children that use that field,
there were public health and safety issues. While owners
love their dogs unfortunately there are people who do not
love dogs as do the owners therefore one must pay attention
to the public health and safety issues, the problem at
Arbor Park was that dogs were running around unleashed,
some residents voiced complaints, there is an ordinance
prohibiting unleashed dogs therefore when someone complains
there needs to be enforcement, in addition there were
complaints from AYSO of dog droppings throughout Arbor Park
before their games, this is a large facility, some feel it
is under - utilized, there are different groups that want to
use the Park, so it seems logical to split up use of the
area, the eastern two acres will be fenced and used for a
dog park, by doing that the dogs can not run the soccer
• field, however there are a few people who will still want
to let their dogs run the soccer field and it will be up to
the dog owners to let the City know who they are and when
they frequent the Park so that Animal Services can deal
with such violation. Mayor Campbell said by doing this it
is hoped it will solve the problems of the soccer people
and the dog owners will have a designated area to let their
animals run. She claimed that a recent news article
reported that thirty -one percent of Seal Beach residents
are under Proposition 13, that is more than any other city
in Orange County, if the Old Town area, which is somewhat
transient, and Leisure World are factored out, that would
likely put the Hill, College Park East and College Park
West at upwards of thirty -five percent, the people stay,
their children are grown and move, the family adopts a
dog(s) who become their furry family, an integral part of
society. The most prominent complaints from CPE are that
people want to park in front of their house nor do they
want dogs using their lawn, the dog park may help to take
away the lawn problem. The challenge is to meet the needs
of the two groups by giving each their own area, fencing
off the east end of the Park, the kids can use the soccer
field, the dogs can use the dog park. With regard to
rules, there are to be no dogs on the soccer field, dogs
must be on -leash until they are in the fenced dog park
area, and on Saturday morning when games are taking place
the soccer people do not allow cars in Arbor Park, this has
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been sanctioned by the Police Department, it is a matter of
safety for the children, therefore the dog owners too will
need to use West Ed for parking, keeping their animals on-
leash until they enter the dog park, and the owners must
pickup after their pets, it is hoped that this will make a
number of people happy.
Mayor Campbell invited members of the audience wishing to
speak to this item to come to the microphone and identify
themselves. With reference to a previous comment of
Council, Mr. Jeff Davis, Fourth Street, said ironically it
is a ball that started this Park, about twenty -eight years
ago a child in his neighborhood hit a baseball through the
window of his new car, about a month later it happened
again, he talked to the father who in turn pointed out that
there was no place on the east end of CPE where a baseball
could be hit, subsequently the then Councilperson was told
that a park was needed, a group was formed called Friends
of Seal Beach College Park East Community Park Foundation,
there were a great many neighbors giving time, money, and
support, of which he read a list of some of the
participants and supporters, said this is truly a community
park, this is just one more thing that will continue to
grow with its use. Mr. Davis asked for the support of the
Council, and said the people will do a great job. Mr.
Kevin Painter, Long Beach, commended the City for
considering a dog park, dogs need unrestricted play, it is
also good that it will be on grass rather than gravel. Mr.
Painter suggested however one additional provision of the
rules to place a limit on the number of dogs that are
brought to the park, especially when they are brought by
dog walkers, there are just so many that can be watched at
one time, that will also cut down on the dog droppings that
may not be observed. Councilman Larson responded that the
most one person can bring is three dogs. A gentleman from
the audience expressed appreciation to the City Manager and
staff for the work that they have done on the dog park thus
far. He provided copies of a news article that appeared in
an Orange County newspaper this date, some excerpts
therefrom included 'that the park would be beneficial to
the many seniors that live in Seal Beach where the median
age is about fifty -four and the percent of residents over
sixty -five is about thirty -eight percent,' Purdue
University researcher says 'dog parks are conducive to
social interaction because of the acceptance of nodding,
saying hello, and asking questions, the social interaction
is especially crucial for older people who may not feel
comfortable going around a neighborhood behind a leash and
may not have incentives for going to a park along,' and
that 'making cities more dog friendly makes very good
sense,' also, the USC Director of the Center for
Sustainable Cities states that there were hardly any
Southern California dog parks before the 1990's, now new
communities routinely incorporate dog parks into their
designs and older cities are converting existing park space
to dog parks, the former regional director of the AYSO
stated that the group supports the City's dog park plan,
and the Mayor was quoted as saying the dogs will have their
area and the kids will have theirs. Ms. Jennifer Snyder,
President of the College Park East Neighborhood
Association, stated that she was not present to advocate on
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behalf of the organization, yet the Association sent a
newsletter to the seventeen hundred homes in CPE, input was
solicited from all residents regarding the dog park, they
were provided contact information for any questions so that
they would have accurate information as opposed to
speculation or rumor, the result was six phone calls and
fourteen'e- mails, none were negative, although those
numbers may not be a representative sample it seems to
speak to the fact that there was no one who took the
opportunity to harangue anyone relating to the proposal.
Ms. Snyder said as a private citizen it is her hope, and
having been active in setting events at Heather Park, that
if the owners have a place to take their dog to run around
that is finite and defined and controlled, that those who
do an informal pickup of dog droppings at Heather Park
prior to events will have less to clean up. Again noting
that the Neighborhood Association sent out the information,
and from the demonstrated support appearing in the Council
Chambers it seems that this is an idea that at least
deserves an opportunity to survive and perhaps become
permanent. Mr. Larry Basche twenty year Candleberry Avenue
resident, thanked the Council for the opportunity to speak
in support of Arbor dog park, said he has always been an
avid dog lover, currently has two dogs. Mr. Basche
reported doing some research on dog parks, discovered that
there are over ninety dog parks in California, over six
hundred in the country, and over four hundred in Canada,
there have been dog parks for over ten years, in Long
Beach, Costa Mesa, Huntington Beach, Irvine, Laguna Beach,
a new park in San Clemente, several others in Los Angeles
County, he also made inquiries to the dog parks and the
cities, the overwhelming response from everyone was
' positive, in addition to the community it enriched the
lives of those who participated, and requested that the
Council allow the opportunity to let the people use this
dog park and show how good it can be for all. Mr. Bob
Labradore, resident of Rossmoor, property owner and former
resident of Seal Beach, said because of his affinity with
this town and neighboring communities he found himself
becoming the director for AYSO soccer serving the
communities of Seal Beach, Rossmoor, and Los Alamitos, and
restated his quote that the AYSO does indeed support a dog
park, this AYSO organization has over two thousand children
participating, and he is please to see that Seal Beach
found a solution to the situation so that AYSO can
cohabitate with the dog owners. Mr. Labradore explained
that AYSO had been closing the gates to Arbor Park on
Saturdays for a period of ten weeks during the fall season,
the reason is that there had been some near misses and an
incident of a child being struck by a car, the parking
strip is narrow and with the evolution from the station
wagon to the SW the parking situation has changed, this
was for the safety of the kids, and West Ed has been
generous over the years by allowing the soccer people and
others to park at their facility after hours, the dog
owners are starting to use West Ed parking as well. He
mentioned that the dog owners have been very cooperative,
they generally frequent the Park after the Saturday soccer
games, the Park is used also for softball and other youth
activities as well as by residents. Mr. Labradore noted
the long term agreement entered into between the AYSO and
the City for use of Arbor Park in conjunction with the
lease extension with the military, and in consideration of
that agreement AYSO has agreed to make a donation to the
City for the maintenance of the Park, the first installment
of the donation a check for $10,000, which he presented to
the City Manager. Be also extended appreciation to the
Public Works Director and the Public Works Supervisor for
selecting the City's current landscape contractor in that
they are doing a fine job, the turf is coming back, AYSO is
also accommodating the City by vacating the Park so that
the routine turf maintenance can be accomplished, which is
being done now. Mr. Craig Adler, College Park East, said
it was he who requested the public hearing for the dog
park, he is in favor of it, supports it, he gathered
petition signatures in support, his feeling is that the
trial period should be given a chance and full effort to
make it work, and after hearing all of the support present
he would hope for a favorable vote of the Council. Mr.
Glen Rabin said he is somewhat of a chair of the group that
has been advancing the dog park cause, thanked the Council
for even considering the dog park, that says that the
Council is sensitive to people who own dogs, as can be seen
from the people present there is a lot of support for the
dog park, for most it is a first experience in civic
affairs, this issue has galvanized the people, they own
dogs and love them, this is not about dogs it is about
people who own them, each person has something in common
and there is a benefit to be able to associate with one
another and exercise their dogs, somewhat of a community •
within a community, it is felt the dog park will allow the
people to associate with one another and enjoy the benefits
of the park. Other speakers have spoken about how this
would be a good thing for the community, how dog parks are
becoming more common, just because other cities have them
is no reason for Seal Beach to have one, it is because dog
parks work, there may be instances where a dog park is not
found to be ideal, in this case with the support of the
Council and the community it is hoped that Arbor dog park
will be as wholesome and safe a facility as is imaginable,
another spoke in support of the trial period, the staff
report does a good job of analyzing the issue, in that
report it was noted that not enough people were able to be
contacted about the dog park issue, the petition containing
about three hundred seventy signatures of College Park
residents were gather in recent weeks by about ten people,
yet of interest is that forty -eight percent of the petition
signors do not own dogs, that points out that there is
broad based support for the dog park trial period. Mr.
Rabin said the persons present are in support of the dog
park concept, College Park East residents, and who
respectively request that the dog park be given a chance,
he also invited the Council to visit the park with their
dogs once it is in place and have a good time. Mr. Roy Joe
Sealy, Seal Beach, said he thought he heard about a dog
park for College Park, there is a Seal Beach University
that is joked about, he mentioned that they walk their dogs
on the beach and get tickets, they take them to Zoeter, run
them loose, play Frisbee, get tickets, dogs are everywhere,
cats are everywhere, walking Old Town at night you can see
people picking up dog droppings, all kinds of people and
from everywhere, he grew up in Garden Grove and Seal Beach,
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why is there not a dog park in Old Town, he temporarily
lives in Riverside and San Bernardino because of court
matters but is a resident here, some dog parks look better
than golf courses, there are rich people that take their
little dogs into stores and places, they do not get
tickets, why, they are also the people out late at night.
Mr. Steward Brainbaugh, Garden Grove, read a'poem entitled
'Rainbow Bridge', and said the dog park is about as close
to heaven as one is going to get. There being no further
comments, Mayor Campbell declared the public hearing
closed.
Yost moved, second by Antos, to authorize the City Manager
to implement a trial canine use area at Arbor Park for a
period of four to six months and adopt Resolution Number
5182 entitled "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF SEAL BEACH, CALIFORNIA, AUTHORIZING A BUDGET AMENDMENT,
NO. 04 -13 FOR INSTALLATION OF "TRIAL" CANINE USE AREA
WITHIN ARBOR PARK." By unanimous consent, full reading of
Resolution Number 5182 was waived.
AYES: Antos, Campbell, Doane, Larson, Yost
NOES: None Motion carried
With regard to the anticipated time frame for installation
of the fence, the Public Works Director advised that it
will be approximately three to four weeks however with the
holiday possibly the second week of January. A member of
the audience suggested that possibly something needs to be
done to initiate the licensing procedure the way it was a
few years ago.
' PUBLIC HEARING / RESOLUTION NUMBER 5193 / RESOLUTION NUMBER
5194 - NEGATIVE DECLARATION / GENERAL PLAN REVISIONS
Mayor Campbell declared the public hearing open to consider
Negative Declaration 03 -1 and revisions to the City of Seal
Beach General Plan. The City Clerk certified that notice
of the public hearing was advertised as required by law,
and reported that no communications were received relating
to this item. The Director of Development Services
presented the staff report, explained that this item would
adopt a new General Plan for the City, noted that the
Council had appointed a Citizens Advisory Committee to work
with the consultants to review the document, the Plan at
this point generally includes all of the suggestions and
comments that came forth as a result of the Committee, the
Committee met on seven occasions to review the various
Elements of the General Plan, the Planning Commission
considered this item under public hearing and is
recommending approval with a number of modifications that
are noted in the Resolution adopting the General Plan, most
of those are a reaction to comments from Hellman properties
to conform the General Plan to the approved Coastal
Development Permit for the Hellman property including the
John Laing Homes development, there are some minor
technical changes made by staff as well. The Director
expressed appreciation to the Advisory Committee and
Chairman Antos that spent considerable time working on this
task.
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There being no comments from the public, Mayor Campbell
declared the public hearing closed. Councilman Antos
explained that there are two sections of the General Plan
that were not reviewed and included, the Local Coastal Plan
continues to be worked on as a separate document, and the
Housing Element will be considered at a future time.
Antos moved, second by Yost, to adopt Resolution Number
5193 entitled "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF SEAL BEACH ADOPTING NEGATIVE DECLARATION 03 -1 IN
CONJUNCTION WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE CITY OF SEAL BEACH
GENERAL PLAN." By unanimous consent, full reading of
Resolution Number 5193 was waived.
Mayor Campbell made reference to page nine of twelve of the
Planning Commission minutes of September 17th under
Commissioner Comments, a question was posed about the
flight patterns of aircraft from the Long Beach Airport
included in the Noise Element, the response of the
consultant was that 'the requirement of the Noise Element
is to take into account the over - flights that are nearest
to the City, the over - flights of the Long Beach Airport
were considered however they do not exceed the noise
criteria that would normally be governed by a State
mandated noise element the noise criteria would range
from 60, 65, 70 and 80 CNEL ' Mayor Campbell said her
concern is that they are not considering arriving aircraft
to Long Beach Airport that over -flies Seal Beach, the
flights may be exceeding the noise criteria due to their'
coming in lower over Seal Beach now that the airspace at El
Toro has opened up and the flight paths have changed
somewhat, coming in at a lower altitude, adding to that the
day after Measure W passed American Airlines demanded
twenty -one slots at Long Beach Airport, some Hill residents
would claim that the noise level has increased due to the
increased flights and the lower approach altitude. The
Director explained that that issue was discussed at the
Planning Commission, and recalled that within the past four
to six weeks a comment letter was approved by the Council
relating to a proposed expansion of terminal facilities at
Long Beach Airport, as part of the comment letter it was
noted that there were concerns relating to the change of
over - flight patterns, etc., and as part of their analysis
in the EIR document for the terminal improvements they will
be required to evaluate that issue, therefore if there are
new noise contours they will have to be adopted into an
Airport Environs Land Use Plan by Los Angeles County to
establish new CNEL zones, it is a 65 CNEL, which as
currently constituted is far removed from the City of Seal
Beach, and until they adopt a new Airport Environs Land Use
Plan there is no valid basis on which to add something to
the General Plan, once they adopt an Airport Land Use Plan
that shows new CNEL's that would impact Seal Beach
obviously it will be necessary to revise the Noise Element
in some manner. Mayor Campbell noted that that would
pertain to the Airport Land Use Commission of Los Angeles
County, the Orange County ALUC does not get involved in Los
Angeles issues. She mentioned too a five foot pothole in a
runway at the Long Beach Airport while it was being
repaired they altered their flight paths and came in using
an alternate runway that runs perpendicular to the existing
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runway, and at 10:20 in the evening she had a 737 come over
her house at about seven hundred feet and over the end of
the Armed Forces Training Base runway, it was frightening.
The Director clarified again that those issues were
addressed in the comment letter relating to their EIR,
noted too that they have special provisions for landing
after 10:00 in the evening, it is felt some of that
information was provided the Council as part of the staff
report for the terminal upgrade, and as that project goes
through the process it will be watched carefully as to any
impacts on Seal Beach. Mayor Campbell said that is the
project and then the EIR will be addressed, she is talking
about the Noise Element that states that noise is not an
issue and she is saying it is. The Director said he
understood that on a personal basis yet on an identified
Airport Environs Land Use Plan that the City could use for
criteria to establish that in its General Plan, there is
nothing that exists at this point where the City could make
that argument unless the City were to do its own noise
measurements of the flights of Long Beach planes over Seal
Beach. Mayor Campbell argued that this deals with land use
environs and because it does not mention it then basically
it is being said it does not exist. The Director responded
that until it is identified or the City takes steps to
identify it on its own there is no basis to make that
conclusion, noise measurements of all flights for twenty -
four hour periods of time over an extended period of time
would involve a large expenditure of City funds to
determine the 65 CNEL from planes out of Long Beach
Airport, and offered to provide Council with cost estimates
if desired however it would be a large expense to monitor
the flights for noise. The Mayor asked if any of that cost
could be borne by the Long Beach Airport, the response of
the Director was that Long Beach Airport says that the EIR
on their Airport Terminal Project will re- evaluate the
• noise contours, that is part of what they are planning to
do. Councilman Larson mentioned that it seems the Mayor
has an intense dislike for Long Beach and its airport yet
never expresses any dismay over the giant, noisy planes
from the Joint Forces Training Base, that is what makes all
of the noise over his District, he resents spending time
worrying about Long Beach while this City has its own
problems. The Mayor claimed that the noise over the Hill
area is a City problem, to that Councilman Larson stated
that the aircraft fly lower over Leisure World than they'do
over the Hill and he gets no complaints.
Vote to adopt Resolution Number 5193:
AYES: Antos, Campbell, Doane, Larson, Yost
NOES: None Motion carried
Yost moved, second by Antos, to adopt Resolution Number
5194 entitled "A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF SEAL BEACH ADOPTING THE PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE
GENERAL PLAN." By unanimous consent, full reading of
Resolution Number 5194 was waived.
AYES: Antos, Campbell, Doane, Larson, Yost
NOES: None Motion carried
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ORDINANCE NUMBER 1510 - NEWSRACK REGULATIONS
The City Manager reported that changes to the Ordinance as
requested by the newspaper industry have been made, one
additional recommended change would be to Section 11B -4(13-
b), a change to the distance from the curb, the language to
read "...newsracks shall be placed between six and twenty -
four inches from the curb at the sole discretion of the
City Engineer ", the reason for that change is that the
eighteen to twenty -four inches was meant to apply to Main
Street however with parallel parking and narrow sidewalk on
the side streets the newsracks could end up in the middle
of the sidewalk. He noted that the color recommended at
the staff level is that it remain uniform throughout the
City however that is a Council choice, and the issue
relating to USA Today is that they have the modernistic
style rack. The Development Services Director mentioned
that upon a discussion with the newspaper representatives
this evening, with regard to rack colors within the Main
Street area the newspapers are suggesting a wood grain
brown, a standard color that both the L.A. Times and the
Orange County Register use, it is not a natural wood grain
pattern it is merely the color, a dark olive green color,
the suggestion of staff is that that color be mandated
within the Main Street area and it is at the discretion of
the Council as to whether to mandate that color outside the
Main Street area or allow the newspapers to use any rack
that they may want to use in those areas and just be
subject to the location criteria, other than those items it
is believed the newspapers and staff are basically in
agreement. Councilman Antos said he too understands that
the wood grain brown is an industry standard color, that
should not pose a hardship on the papers, that color of
rack can be seen throughout communities, his preference
would be that it be used in all of the Main Street Specific
Plan area, the Council can decide what shall be used
outside the Specific Plan area and whether the blue and
white USA Today rack will be allowed or required to be the
standard color. Councilman Yost said he is sympathetic to
the newspapers yet there are areas that deserve some
uniformity, the Pavilions Center will be undergoing an
upgrade, other commercial areas as well, and inquired as to
the desires of the Council to have uniformity citywide.
The Director clarified that this ordinance does not apply
to newsracks in a private shopping center, only to
newsracks on the public right -of -way, whatever is worked
out between a shopping center owner and the newspapers the
City has no control over. The City Attorney noted that
based upon the meetings held with the newspapers they have
agreed to uniform racks, just the color, and based on the
testimony of the USA Today representative it appears that
he understands the desire for uniformity on Main Street, it
is thought that he was asking to use their own racks
outside of Main Street, if the Council is willing to allow
USA Today, as an example, the opportunity to use their own
color the ordinance could be amended to allow a color at
the discretion of the Director. Councilmember Larson noted
that considerable work has been done on this issue, he
however does not want to get into a position of telling a
company what color they must paint their racks, the
remainder of the ordinance is fine, color is an individual
issue, if it is a color that is acceptable to the
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newspapers he is willing to approve the ordinance, he does
not want to get•into a situation where there is a fight
between the City and the newspapers, he would vote no on •
the ordinance only on that basis. Councilman Yost said
since the newspaper companies have agreed to the - uniformity
on Main Street yet would like to use their own specific
colored racks elsewhere in the City, asked if that would
change the vote of Councilman Larson on the ordinance.
• Councilman Larson responded that if that is a guarantee
that they are the only newspapers that will ever come into
town, there are many little publications, real estate,
throw aways, etc., they may just want a license and use a
• blue, green, or whatever color of rack that will stand out,
he merely anticipates that when people are competing for
attention someone will want a color different from another
Councilman Antos moved to reintroduce Ordinance Number 1510
entitled "AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SEAL BEACH AMENDING
CHAPTER 11B OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF SEAL BEACH
PERTAINING TO NEWSRACKS" as amended to basically require a
uniform rack color within the Main Street Specific Plan
area, colors as determined by the Director outside the
Specific Plan area, and uniform racks with the Director
allowed to call an equivalent. Councilman Yost seconded
the motion. By unanimous consent, full reading of
• Ordinance Number 1510 was waived.
The City Attorney 'clarified the changes to the proposed
ordinance, Section 11B -2(c), City Approved Newsrack Model,
the words 'K Jack Engineering Company Mack Truck Green'
deleted and changed to 'a color of the equivalent of wood
grain brown', to the same section an additional sentence
added that 'the Director has the discretion to allow
different colors outside the Main Street Specific Plan
. area', and to Section 11B- 4(13b) revised to read 'newsracks
shall be placed between six inches and twenty -four inches
" - • ' • from the curb at the sole discretion of the Director.'
The Chair allowed the USA Today representative to make a
comment at this point. The representative said their rack
has been identified as a' M100 or KJ50, if they determine to
use the blue and white their rack is neither, the rack will
fit level but it looks like a television, it will fit on
the tray, that is the rack they would want to use outside
the Specific Plan area. Councilman Yost offered that his
understanding is that they be consistent racks that would
allow the color to be slightly different, yet some
consistency without each rack being different, no specific
publication having an advantage, with the Director having
the ability to use some discretion. The Development
Services Director explained that the language provides that
the Director can approve a different rack if it is deemed
to be equivalent in size and appearance, therefore does not
have to be the exact same model if equivalent, and that the
reference to Director is to the Director of Public Works.
Vote on the motion to approve the reintroduction of
Ordinance Number 1510.
AYES: Antos, Campbell, Doane, Yost
NOES: Larson Motion carried
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CLOSED SESSION
By unanimous consent, the City Council reconvened the
regular adjourned, recessed City Council /Redevelopment
Agency meeting at 10:20 p.m. The City Council/
Redevelopment Agency was reconvened at 10:39 p.m. with
.Mayor Campbell calling the meeting to order. The City
Attorney reported that the Council /Redevelopment Agency had
met in Closed Session to discuss the item identified on the
agenda, the Council gave direction to the City Manager, no
other reportable action was taken.
ADJOURNMENT
It was the order of the Chair, with consent of the Council
/ Agency to direct that the regular adjourned meeting be
adjourned until January 12, 2004 at 5:00 p.m. to meet in
Closed Session. By unanimous consent the regular and
regular adjourned meetings were adjourned at 10:42 p.m.
' THESE ARE TENTATIVE MINUTES ONLY, SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL
OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SEAL BEACH.
Council Minutes Approved: